Another pen raised trophy kill trying to get attention as new world record...

[bearpaw]

What about trout hatcheries that are raising fish for lowland lakes?

I will only comment on this. The way I see it, actually I can't believe they have done what they've done without environmental organizations complaining, and filing lawsuits.

 I can't imagine that planting non-native trout in many lowland lakes has not caused the extinction of several native species. I know the native cutthroat trout in some of the lakes in this area are gone, and I assume it's due to the state planting rainbow and brown trout.

When man tries to "help" nature it's not always such a good thing.  IMO

I can agree with part of that, we all know there have been mistakes by introducing new species in streams and lakes, but I'm not sure you can blame planting otherwise sterile lowland lakes as the cause for impacts in these other waters. The way I understand it, many of the lowland lakes had no trout or other fish, these lakes would freeze out, aerators and hatcheries have changed that and now these lakes provide a great deal of recreation that would otherwise be nonexistent.

[pianoman9701]

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds? Game meat is a huge business in the US and you'd be putting lots of private entrepreneurs out of it. How about the quail egg market - huge.  If not, what's the difference between a game ranch that raises meat for the commercial market and one which raises it for hunting, which would be a commercial market?

Just because you don't agree with raising animals which are normally wildlife doesn't mean you get to say it's illegal for everyone. That's like the wave of the king's hand there, BC.

The game farms you speak of are all government inspected, cataloged and policed. This is not so the case with "farm" wildlife raised for hunting. Though I would guess there maybe a few states with more restrictions then others. You wanna defend em fine. Personally I find it disgusting and would never hunt like that. But thats me. Great for disabled people. Though, rarely do you see these farms used for anything other then huge trophy bucks/bulls. I do believe these animals should be registered at birth and tattooed or chipped. This would be a good way (not a great way) to keep them separate from wild stock in terms of trophy/records. On that topic, I think any farm raised animal should not be allowed to make it into a record book. There is no reason to Celebrate an animal that has been genetically raised to surpass its wildlife counterparts.

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you. But just because we don't want to hunt there doesn't mean that they shouldn't exist. It's a very liberal mindset. "I don't do it so neither should you."

[Jonathan_S]

just because we don't want to hunt there doesn't mean that they shouldn't exist. It's a very liberal mindset. "I don't do it so neither should you."

Ding, ding, ding!

   nailed it

[Curly]

I don't know where these lowland lakes are that had no fish in them prior to hatchery raised fish being planted?    Those kind of lakes didn't exist in this area.......

Anyway, I think the hatchery and game farm deer/elk analogy is a valid one.

[bearpaw]

I don't know where these lowland lakes are that had no fish in them prior to hatchery raised fish being planted?    Those kind of lakes didn't exist in this area.......

Anyway, I think the hatchery and game farm deer/elk analogy is a valid one.

More of an eastside thing, before aerators small lakes would freeze over and the fish would die in the winter.

[motg9_6]

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds?

Yes I do. I hate seeing elk and whitetail deer being raised like livestock. Bison are different since they are not considered to be wildlife- they ARE livestock.

I don't know of native game birds that are raised and then harvested for the meat or put out for paying hunters by a private organization or individual. Do you? If so, yes I'd be against that as well. Can you imagine a ruffed grouse farm?   
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Thankfully, all of those things are illegal in THIS state.

So your against the state planting pheasants for hunting

[billythekidrock]

So then, you think that ranches/game farms that raise elk for meat should be abolished then? Bison? What about game birds?

Yes I do. I hate seeing elk and whitetail deer being raised like livestock. Bison are different since they are not considered to be wildlife- they ARE livestock.

I don't know of native game birds that are raised and then harvested for the meat or put out for paying hunters by a private organization or individual. Do you? If so, yes I'd be against that as well. Can you imagine a ruffed grouse farm?   
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Thankfully, all of those things are illegal in THIS state.

So your against the state planting pheasants for hunting

As stated before, pheasants are not native. He opinion is on native species.

[MtnMuley]

So some of you guys are ok with pen raised 500" bulls and 250" mule deer and released into "fair chase" hunting for a select high paying client and allowed to be entered into the existing B&C P&Y record books?

As long as they are released on private land, yes.

Absolutely not okay with it.  Pathetic in it's worst form.

[baldopepper]

I think they should be entered and judged at State Fairs, just like most other domestic animals are.  I'm not all that big on the way hunting has become so competitive anyway and I think this sort of thing is similar to cheating at solitaire. Just my 

[Blue Mountain Adventures]

Here's some food for thought on this buck: notice the date of the article and the text saying SCI.

http://www.huntingreport.com/hunting_article_details.cfm?id=2238

I don' know him at all, but I'm wondering if someone isn't just spreading bad rumors to discredit Lemon because they don't like him? Nobody has shown any evidence to substantiate these rumors are at all true? 

That's a possibility. Allot of guys get jealous of a guys success guiding or outfitting and start rumors. I have had rumors get back to me that were started, and I just have to laugh. I am not for or against Lemon's. However, what I have seen and heard doesn't look good. I was hoping someone on here could dismiss this with proof of confirm with proof. So far, its just a lot of mud being thrown around.