muzzles in wash.

[fireguy459]

the last post got me thinking and wondering. i have been interested in purchasing a muzzleloader for a while now. but washington has a ton of restrictions which have limited me from obtaining further information. can anyone tell me based on washington regulations which manufacturers and models are legal in washington? thanks.
Fireguy

[ICEMAN]

.... but washington has a ton of restrictions which have limited me from obtaining further information. Fireguy

Huh? The restrictions have limited you from obtaining further information?

[bobcat]

Basically there are two main requirements...no scopes, and the nipple must be "exposed to the elements." So that eliminates popular guns like the Omega and Encore, and many other inlines. Oh, also the 209 shotgun primers are not legal. And, bullets must be all lead. If you want an inline, the T/C Black Diamond is legal and that's what I have. I also have a traditional style muzzleloader, a Lyman Deerstalker. The best thing to do would be to go to a store that sells them, like Sportsman's Warehouse, and look at what they've got and talk to somebody there who knows what's legal and what's not.

[jackelope]

t/c black diamond
knight bighorn
remington has a model 700 muzz thats legal
anything with a bolt action style  action seems to work, as long as it is not 209 ignition and open to the elements. there's a cva thats legal. i noticed in cabela's they are listing them as "restriction-legal" now which is kind of nice.

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

We have 7 knight bighorn... We changed out the number 11 cap to a musket cap, more flamage...

[Craig]

I have the Knight Bighorn and use musket caps.

[DBake]

What brand of bullets and power you all using?

Also, does anyone have any experience with the CVA Elkhorn?

[shag]

Knight.  Don't like the T/C Black Diamond at all.  To bulky and ramrod is loud as heck.  They do shoot though.  These are inlines.  Lyman deerstalker's in blu or stainless are the cats meow in the sidelock dept.

[Chesapeake]

I recycled this from another post in another thread.

I'm new to the site but have bean playing with smoke poles for a while.

In my opinion the best Western state legal in line is the Knight Bighorn (formerly the Wolverine, and before that the Bighorn). If you buy it in the local stores it will come with the breach plug that can use standard nipples. If you order it out of a catalog you may need to specify you want the Western model.

The TC black diamond is another good choice. Several other manufacturers offer similar rifles.

For projectiles you must use non-jacketed, and new this year you can use polymer tips. Sabots are legal, but you will need to stay above the nominal caliber, or the minimum projectile weight. This usualy isnt a problem.

My recomendation to a guy looking to get into muzzleloading with an inline would be:

50 cal. Knight bighorn rifle (I prefer the thumbhole stock and the 28" barrel)
100 grains of 777 ffg powder
Musket cap
375 grain Buffalo Bullets Special Saboted Bullet (360 grain Extreme SPBT is good too)

If a guy was looking to go traditional I would recomend:

54 cal. Lyman Great plains rifle in Flint or cap lock
Actual black powder or substitute
Musket cap or flint
Patched round ball

[DBake]

Can pellets be used in the T/C Black Diamond or the Knight Bighorn?

[Chesapeake]

Yes, but why?

I dislike pellets. They dont allow good adjustment of the load size. They can perform poorly if crushed while seeting the bullet. They depend highly on the blackpowder ignition source. They dont readily indicate when they are damp. They are expensive.

I realy see no advantage to pellets. I have no issue dumping the powder out of a speedloader down the barrel. You still have to dump them down the barrel and if one should fall on the ground you've lost 1/3 or 1/2 of your charge, where as if you spill a little powder its only 5 or 10 grains and pretty insignificant.

Others mileage may vary.