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Offline boneaddict

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #180 on: November 15, 2013, 05:52:46 PM »
I'm trembling.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #181 on: November 15, 2013, 05:59:50 PM »
Now that One person has come out with a first hand experience with Luke at the trailhead and asked a question that did not get a answer just like Mine never did. Here are somethings I want to point out.
Besides the fact that I have posted links where you all have seen Luke call his friends "clients" and he only does this for free. Let me recap some things. I dont' know how  to copy that many quotes so I will tell you the page and who posted.
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JM---- "He's been trying to get his hands a license for that area but he is smart about it"./ Wrong he was not smart about it. He solicites people at the trailhead. One spoke up today to where he introduced himself as a guide. In a area he is not permitted I might add. And there are others..   Besides as long as Dave holds the Permit  Luke will not get one.

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Limhangerslayer-----" I guess he is also "guiding" in the Yakima area too. They shot a 330 bull during archery.." Like I said I do my homework. . You say this was just a friend he was helping and we have seen the picture but on his facebook page where I will admit he says friend in alot of his pictures except One.. This east cascades bull clearly says "another success for guiderite adventures" If this is on his facebook where it is just his friends  where everyone know he helps people clearly state this one picture as his business...why would he say that instead of another great hunt with my friend?
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JM----- " He is putting the cart before the horse by giving himself a name before he has a business"/// But he already has one, does he not? its called guiderite adventures acording to MM
Cont from JM---- If you want to start a guiding business though and be able to Charge large amounts of money right out of the gate then you'd be way ahead if you already had a bunch of harvest pics. Pretty brilliant if you ask me"
I would say he is putting the cart before the horse. Most people would have a teritory and permit in hand before they started promoting themselves. And why would he want to charge lots of money I thought he was doing everything for free. He said on page 7 if you dont believe me get drawn for a tag and find out for yourself. To build a website and all that work To guide for free... Com on man
In rebuttle to my question on page 5
BDT--- "He has a guide service legally from the state"
 He might have a license by the state but if he has a guide service where is it at? this still goes unaswered. He does not hold a permit anywhere by the USFS

To finish my rant  Luke I have no doubt is a great friend and helps people get animals. His passion is very hard to find and it is very admirable but from the things posted and the wording used on  MM and facebook  there are to many variables.  It does not add up...
When asked questions they are never really answered just sidesteped with another post from a newbie vouching for his character. Today for example wastick asked some, Again unaswered. 
And for the "friends" that made Luke carry out three bucks and you were nowhere to be found. Shame on you for not returning the favor of being a great friend.
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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #182 on: November 15, 2013, 06:52:01 PM »
I just had a good friend with horses take me into a beautiful drainage in a remote part of Oregon and led me to the biggest bull of my life.  I'd never hunted there before and provided little to the camp other than grunt labor.  I couldn't have done it without his efforts, equipment, knowledge of the country, and stock.  I didn't pay him anything other than my share of the costs of the trip.

I would not be at all offended if he called me a client.  I might as well of been one. 

I think its awesome that a guy who is passionate about hunting would volunteer his energy, time, and knowledge to help others take quality trophies with no expectation of compensation.  If he's got a goal of eventually becoming a paid guide, why would anyone begrudge him calling them clients?  In what I do, a number of circumstances can create clients that pay me nothing.  They are no less clients than those that do pay me. 

If I had the time, resources and know how, I'd certainly take people on top quality hunts just to be a part of a great hunt every year.  I take my kid and friends on great hunts every year and don't care if I pull the trigger nor do expect them to pay me anything.  It wouldn't be a huge step to do it for a stranger.  It's still a quality experience in life and you just can't draw a quality tag every year for your own hunt.  For some of those special tags, you are only going to get one or two in a lifetime.  How else could you be a part of those hunts every year unless you were willing to put yourself out like this guy does?

Without proof that he's getting paid, bad mouthing this guy is just whiny slander coming from a bunch of people that think they know the only way to go through life.  To heck with that myopic and selfish approach to life. 

You don't have to get paid for every nice thing you do for others.  You don't have to have a tag to be a part of a great hunt.  You don't have to have a previous friendship with somebody to have a great adventure with them.  I'd say anybody that gets to hunt with this guy is lucky and worrying about whether you are called a client or not is a very ungratious way to accept this person's gift.

Sometimes if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its just a person immitating a duck and not a duck at all.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #183 on: November 15, 2013, 07:01:00 PM »
i agree with the post above and still stand firm that one guide should not be allowed to monopolize an area everyone should petition to change that.just like anything else the good ones will make it and the others won't keep on doing what your doing luke.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #184 on: November 15, 2013, 07:07:50 PM »
 :yeah: on the last two posts,how long can you beat a dead horse?Nobody has proof of money exchange so whats the point of going on and on mtncook doesn't own the land and he created a topic which was made out of assumptions not facts and the internet police jumped all over it.Luke keep doing what your doing and keep posting success pics that is the hardest thing on all the internet police.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #185 on: November 15, 2013, 08:15:13 PM »
i agree with the post above and still stand firm that one guide should not be allowed to monopolize an area everyone should petition to change that.just like anything else the good ones will make it and the others won't keep on doing what your doing luke.

Like it or not it's the way it was set up. Just because someone doesn't like the rules doesn't mean they can be broken. Lots of things in life are not fair. Get use to it. I don't like speed limits but if I break it I get a ticket.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #186 on: November 15, 2013, 08:20:28 PM »
If anyone is looking for an attorney I could use some clients. No charge. I don't have a liscence to practice but it will be on the house. Why would I do this you ask, well cause I like to argue.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #187 on: November 15, 2013, 08:56:33 PM »
If anyone is looking for an attorney I could use some clients. No charge. I don't have a liscence to practice but it will be on the house. Why would I do this you ask, well cause I like to argue.
actually a pretty good example, I have to admit, if one of my friends called me a client it would be a bit strange. Heck I've met a couple guys on here that I've never met in person, and I wouldn't call them clients. As far as mnt cook having a monopoly, he's by all I've seen and heard, done the business good. If he wasn't deserving of the permit then I don't think he would have it.  It sounds like Luke also is deserving a permit in a unit, hopefully he'll get one that doesn't conflict with other respectable guiedes. Just my 2 cents.     I have to mention one thing, a lot of new guys have signed up latly?? 
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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #188 on: November 15, 2013, 11:34:38 PM »
 :yeah: some people on here telling this luke dude basically to stay out of the wilderness and don't take friends in there... wow!! Mybe they really are from outter space, that would make sense. Id give up my hunting season to go in there with a buddy that had the tag.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #189 on: November 16, 2013, 12:35:15 AM »
I just had a good friend with horses take me into a beautiful drainage in a remote part of Oregon and led me to the biggest bull of my life.  I'd never hunted there before and provided little to the camp other than grunt labor.  I couldn't have done it without his efforts, equipment, knowledge of the country, and stock.  I didn't pay him anything other than my share of the costs of the trip.

I would not be at all offended if he called me a client.  I might as well of been one. 

I think its awesome that a guy who is passionate about hunting would volunteer his energy, time, and knowledge to help others take quality trophies with no expectation of compensation.  If he's got a goal of eventually becoming a paid guide, why would anyone begrudge him calling them clients?  In what I do, a number of circumstances can create clients that pay me nothing.  They are no less clients than those that do pay me. 

If I had the time, resources and know how, I'd certainly take people on top quality hunts just to be a part of a great hunt every year.  I take my kid and friends on great hunts every year and don't care if I pull the trigger nor do expect them to pay me anything.  It wouldn't be a huge step to do it for a stranger.  It's still a quality experience in life and you just can't draw a quality tag every year for your own hunt.  For some of those special tags, you are only going to get one or two in a lifetime.  How else could you be a part of those hunts every year unless you were willing to put yourself out like this guy does?

Without proof that he's getting paid, bad mouthing this guy is just whiny slander coming from a bunch of people that think they know the only way to go through life.  To heck with that myopic and selfish approach to life. 

You don't have to get paid for every nice thing you do for others.  You don't have to have a tag to be a part of a great hunt.  You don't have to have a previous friendship with somebody to have a great adventure with them.  I'd say anybody that gets to hunt with this guy is lucky and worrying about whether you are called a client or not is a very ungratious way to accept this person's gift.

Sometimes if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, its just a person immitating a duck and not a duck at all.

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lots of folks still help others. I've helped and received help from/for great people and new friends just this year. I think if someone had Luke or mtcook in their hunting camp they would be better off then without.  :twocents: I get your point , lets agree to hunt everyday as if it's our last, give 100% and for the love of sweet baby Jesus let's see some blue's bulls!
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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #190 on: November 16, 2013, 03:23:46 AM »
As far as letting more than one outfitter in a area.  I do not believe that will happen. 
Besides the traffic that it already gets.  I would say that the number of harvest is greatly higher than normal  With guided hunts and we all know they don't want that. . Pretty sure that would put a dent in the herd and management plan
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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #191 on: November 16, 2013, 07:52:58 AM »
Be respectful Toyman or you will be removed from the site.   Its easy to state your point without insults.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #192 on: November 16, 2013, 08:17:51 AM »
As far as letting more than one outfitter in a area.  I do not believe that will happen. 
Besides the traffic that it already gets.  I would say that the number of harvest is greatly higher than normal  With guided hunts and we all know they don't want that. . Pretty sure that would put a dent in the herd and management plan


WOW!! You're still ranting about this? If he doesn't take money for it, then there's  nothing illegal about it. He could call the people he takes clients,friends or aliens it doesn't matter. The only issue would be money. That is something that Luke and all his friends and I know he doesn't take and I doubt hell give you his bank statements to prove to some internet gumshoes that he's legit.

The other reason to try and recruit people to take is the points issue. Not everybody has friends 10+ points.

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #193 on: November 16, 2013, 08:53:56 AM »
I have 13 points ;)

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Re: Blues News 2013
« Reply #194 on: November 16, 2013, 09:30:33 AM »
I help people all the time and I have friends that help people all the time. None of us have a guide service name, we don't have clients, and we sure as heck don't advertise to make more "friends". The main question has yet to be answered. Why does he have a guide service and advertise? Why introduce yourself to a complete stranger as a guide in the area? If it was for friends and friends of friends that would not be neccessary. I still see a duck.
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