Starting a pup in the woods

[KFhunter]

that stiff rope might be just the ticket too - I haven't tried that one.





This one is also very interesting to me, I'll probably try this out next time I need a CC
http://www.gundogsupply.com/k-9-komfort-30--biothane-check-cord.html


This looks like the cats azz

[Stilly bay]

This check cord is the shiz.
 http://www.lcsupply.com/LCS-Tangleproof-Check-Cord/productinfo/CC1/

It doesn't tangle or snag on brush what so ever. I have had mine for close to 15 years now and it still works great..

[wildweeds]

Lose the choke chain if your gonna let the dog run free,it's a bad bad idea to leave that on for hunting,especially if you got a rope/cord/muletape/airhose anything on it.Have that thing hang up on a branch at full speed and your gonna be on your way to the vet for a crushed windpipe,have the dog jump off the right embankment and the cord hangs up,your going to be shopping for a new dog.Choke chains are,well outdated and unneccessary in todays age.Far better methods and devices exist.

[yorketransport]

Lose the choke chain if your gonna let the dog run free,it's a bad bad idea to leave that on for hunting,especially if you got a rope/cord/muletape/airhose anything on it.Have that thing hang up on a branch at full speed and your gonna be on your way to the vet for a crushed windpipe,have the dog jump off the right embankment and the cord hangs up,your going to be shopping for a new dog.Choke chains are,well outdated and unneccessary in todays age.Far better methods and devices exist.

The chain is only on her while we are running on the roads around the house with her on a short leade. She wears a leather collar while in the woods for that exact reason. To me, calling the chain a choke collar is like calling an E collar a shock collar. If that's how you use it, you're doing it wrong.

I'll give some of these ideas a try. I'm sure that as she gets used to it the cord won't bother her as much. But I'll still look into some of the light weight styles. I'll probably pick up an E collar as well to start working that in while using the CC.

Andrew

[wildweeds]

I don't use a choke collar and that's what I call the things because thats what I've seen the most of with them.I use an astro,As to an e collar/shock collar it does the exact same thing it shocks so I  calls it what it is,i don't sugar coat nothing.I've seen more misuse of a e collar than it used the right way, nicking is right,flat out zapping until you hear a yelp is wrong.I got my naughty dog back on sunday with my astro,while rounding him up in thick cover I found another dog that was wearing a zapper,that dog was lost in the thick stuff too.I heard the guy yell for the dog and then  shock the dog who yelped.What was wrong there?

Lose the choke chain if your gonna let the dog run free,it's a bad bad idea to leave that on for hunting,especially if you got a rope/cord/muletape/airhose anything on it.Have that thing hang up on a branch at full speed and your gonna be on your way to the vet for a crushed windpipe,have the dog jump off the right embankment and the cord hangs up,your going to be shopping for a new dog.Choke chains are,well outdated and unneccessary in todays age.Far better methods and devices exist.

The chain is only on her while we are running on the roads around the house with her on a short leade. She wears a leather collar while in the woods for that exact reason. To me, calling the chain a choke collar is like calling an E collar a shock collar. If that's how you use it, you're doing it wrong.

I'll give some of these ideas a try. I'm sure that as she gets used to it the cord won't bother her as much. But I'll still look into some of the light weight styles. I'll probably pick up an E collar as well to start working that in while using the CC.

Andrew

[Stilly bay]

I found another dog that was wearing a zapper,that dog was lost in the thick stuff too.I heard the guy yell for the dog and then  shock the dog who yelped.What was wrong there?

*censored*! I lost count of how many times I came across a lost or confused pup at the release area with the owner no where in sight. Meanwhile the dog is flinching and yelping from getting zapped, and its looking at me for help, and the yelps get louder as the owner turns up the intensity of the shock collar because he thinks his dog isn't responding. The dog gets even more confused and sticks to me like glue because it doesn't have the foggiest idea about what is happing to it... probably because it was never collar conditioned in the first place.
I will take an ecollar off a dog and chuck it in a situation like that.

[wildweeds]

Stilly got it,dont EVER EVER NEVER use the Ecolllar/Zapper/Shock collar/Hand of Zeus/Hammer of Thor  whatever you want to call it .................. without having an actual eye on the dog.I can guarantee this,only 10% of dog owners who strap a collar on obey this one simple rule.

I found another dog that was wearing a zapper,that dog was lost in the thick stuff too.I heard the guy yell for the dog and then  shock the dog who yelped.What was wrong there?

EFFING AHOLES! I lost count of how many times I came across a lost or confused pup at the release area with the owner no where in sight. Meanwhile the dog is flinching and yelping from getting zapped, and its looking at me for help, and the yelps get louder as the owner turns up the intensity of the shock collar because he thinks his dog isn't responding. The dog gets even more confused and sticks to me like glue because it doesn't have the foggiest idea about what is happing to it... probably because it was never collar conditioned in the first place.
I will take an ecollar off a dog and chuck it in a situation like that.

[bracer40]

Stilly got it,dont EVER EVER NEVER use the Ecolllar/Zapper/Shock collar/Hand of Zeus/Hammer of Thor  whatever you want to call it .................. without having an actual eye on the dog.I can guarantee this,only 10% of dog owners who strap a collar on obey this one simple rule.

I found another dog that was wearing a zapper,that dog was lost in the thick stuff too.I heard the guy yell for the dog and then  shock the dog who yelped.What was wrong there?

*censored*! I lost count of how many times I came across a lost or confused pup at the release area with the owner no where in sight. Meanwhile the dog is flinching and yelping from getting zapped, and its looking at me for help, and the yelps get louder as the owner turns up the intensity of the shock collar because he thinks his dog isn't responding. The dog gets even more confused and sticks to me like glue because it doesn't have the foggiest idea about what is happing to it... probably because it was never collar conditioned in the first place.
I will take an ecollar off a dog and chuck it in a situation like that.

And for the 90% the reason why the button should NEVER be pushed unless one has an eye on their dog?..................
Because the collars for correction, not punishment! And how can a dog be corrected for something when they're out of sight? Why they might be locked up on point or getting close to it and if joe jackwagon shocks his dog he's associating birds with pain. Birds should be all good for the dog!

[Happy Gilmore]

leaving a flat collar on a dog is just as dangerous as a choke collar. I lost a dog while two were playing unattended. Dogs playing get canine teeth caught under a flat collar and one roll and the dog suffocates. Flat collars also will get hung up.

There is nothing wrong with a choke chain and used for hands on obedience. I've used a choke collar quite forcefully to control dogs which have been allowed to be out of control for too long by their owners. Watched many others do the same without ever causing harm or injury to a dog. Watching pointer trials and hunt tests I see a ton of dogs which could use a lot more. Few if any will heal to the line let alone stay without someone holding the dog. A premier hunting dog is a complete package not just something that roams big as the west and holds point. That's just one little small piece of the entire picture.

I want a perfect mouth, steadiness, manners(not barking and going ape crazy when they aren't working) and style. Nothing worse than going hunting and having someone with three dogs that are unruly barking, howling and bouncing all over scaring the birds into the next county. Using proper tools including choke chains, pinch collars, e-collars, check cords etc- I use each one every day of the week.

[AspenBud]

I have a plastic crate that has grooves in the plastic from one of my dogs getting so wound up at the prospect of hunting. I want a Pointer that has a ton of desire, a ton of point, is biddable, and responsive.

Duck dogs and even some versatiles, their job description requires some different training and a higher level of "control" is desirable.

With a Pointer or a setter I do not want that. I want a dog that will seek out game as efficiently as possible, hold a point until I get there, and the rest is fluff. But nowhere in there does that mean "out of control."