Bowhunter chased up tree by wolves in GMU 121!

[KFhunter]

 

People have been injured WAcoyotehunter.   People have been hurt emotionally, monetarily and in few cases even physically.
The tired old mantra that wolves won't attack people is proven false, it's a very thin security blanket when a person is surrounded and pressured by wolves.   


Some momma walking her dogs had better pray those wolves off in the distance had some education from someone like me;  if they've had previous contact with someone like idahunter or sitka_blacktail then that momma is screwed, and so are her dogs.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I would say that within 10-15 years (that if left to the current course of management ) injuries resulting from encounters with wolves will be higher than those encounters with deer. And stats are only valid in states that wolves live. Not a general broad stat to include everywhere.

Couple factors at play the wolf population will increase and likely the deer population decline.  So I'd think your assumptions will be valid.  If someone is in a car accident with a deer that is being chased by wolves, I would consider that to be a wolf related injury/accident.

And that is is exactly one scenario I envision being a very real possibility.  My whole point is that Sitka/ Idahohnter are comparing scewed numbers to numbers that don't even exist yet. Therefore nullifying his entire argument.

I wasn't using any skewed numbers. I just showed that the same stupid argument some of you use against wolves would be just as stupid if used against deer.  And the fact that you think the argument is stupid when used against deer, just shows how blind you are when you use it against wolves.

[turkeyfeather]

I would say that within 10-15 years (that if left to the current course of management ) injuries resulting from encounters with wolves will be higher than those encounters with deer. And stats are only valid in states that wolves live. Not a general broad stat to include everywhere.

They better get started.  Wolves have been around for quite a few years now and no one has been injured....

I think you are going to lose money on that bet Turkeyfeather

This thread started with a guy that was "treed" (i think he may have overreacted)  by wolves...how did it devolve into an argument over deer/car collisions?

Evolution takes time my friend. It doesn't happen in 5-10 years. It takes much longer than that. And this thread as all threads are like the history of earth. They evolve, one topic starts to lose steam and becomes extinct or evolves to be able to continue.

[turkeyfeather]

I would say that within 10-15 years (that if left to the current course of management ) injuries resulting from encounters with wolves will be higher than those encounters with deer. And stats are only valid in states that wolves live. Not a general broad stat to include everywhere.

Couple factors at play the wolf population will increase and likely the deer population decline.  So I'd think your assumptions will be valid.  If someone is in a car accident with a deer that is being chased by wolves, I would consider that to be a wolf related injury/accident.

And that is is exactly one scenario I envision being a very real possibility.  My whole point is that Sitka/ Idahohnter are comparing scewed numbers to numbers that don't even exist yet. Therefore nullifying his entire argument.

I wasn't using any skewed numbers. I just showed that the same stupid argument some of you use against wolves would be just as stupid if used against deer.  And the fact that you think the argument is stupid when used against deer, just shows how blind you are when you use it against wolves.

What??? Talk about talking in circles. I now have a headache trying to figure out what you just said.

[idahohuntr]

People have been injured WAcoyotehunter.   People have been hurt emotionally...

Yea, WAcoyotehunter, what he's saying is they can't really find anybody with bite marks but that doesn't mean there isn't emotional damage.  ROFL!    And I thought these guys were tough on the big bad wolf...turns out they have just been emotionally hurt.     We don't need a wolf management plan...we need a wolf therapist so these guys can call a 1-800 number and get the emotional support they need.

Some momma walking her dogs had better pray those wolves off in the distance had some education from someone like me;  if they've had previous contact with someone like idahunter or sitka_blacktail then that momma is screwed, and so are her dogs.

You are so clueless about me that you should not make such asanine assumptions.  But please, by all means, elaborate on what you specifically have done to "educate" wolves that has made "momma" safer that I have not done.

[KFhunter]

People have been injured WAcoyotehunter.   People have been hurt emotionally...

Yea, WAcoyotehunter, what he's saying is they can't really find anybody with bite marks but that doesn't mean there isn't emotional damage.  ROFL!    And I thought these guys were tough on the big bad wolf...turns out they have just been emotionally hurt.     We don't need a wolf management plan...we need a wolf therapist so these guys can call a 1-800 number and get the emotional support they need.

Some momma walking her dogs had better pray those wolves off in the distance had some education from someone like me;  if they've had previous contact with someone like idahunter or sitka_blacktail then that momma is screwed, and so are her dogs.

You are so clueless about me that you should not make such asanine assumptions.  But please, by all means, elaborate on what you specifically have done to "educate" wolves that has made "momma" safer that I have not done.

If you don't see any emotional trauma in this video then you're just a dolt

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=825_1198391329&comments=1


You've already stated by you're own admission you do not pack a handgun while archery hunting,  you'll scurry up a tree and crap your britches.   I haven't had a close encounter, but if/when I do I will defend myself.  To do otherwise is unconscionable.

Wolves are capable of killing people.  No doubt about it.  My encounters with wolves at close range (under 100 yards) while bowhunting, had me wishing I was carrying a handgun.  However, if I were going to put together a list of things were likely to cause injury/death to me as an outdoorsman, I don't think wolves (whether in Idaho, Washington, Alaska, Montana etc.) would make the top 50...or maybe even the top 100. 

You're out in prime wolf country, odds are great you'll have another encounter and if you are ill equipped to deal with it then you are not only putting the problem in someone else's lap you are helping embolden the wolves.  They'll push tighter and harder with each encounter until it leads to someone else getting hurt.

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Don't myself know IF or what KF Hunter has done to educate them, But if it were me you sure as hell couldn't bait me to incriminate myself here. I have a feeling most "Wedge" folks are smarter than that. One thing I don't doubt is that he has had to deal with them living where he does. I have seen deer numbers plummet over there in the last 10- 15 years myself

[Mike450r]

I have to go back to the title and say I agree with others, the guy did not get chased up the tree.  He didn't even see them.  Too close for comfort maybe, but then again overreaction could also be in play.  It is a misleading thread title,  more like "bowhunter climbs tree and stays there until the wolves he heard were gone".  Not saying he did wrong and not saying I wouldn't consider doing the same, just more to do with the title of the thread being in conflict with what happened.

[KFhunter]

I disagree, the wolves knew he was there and pressured him when they could have simply vanished.   These wolves had his scent, knew he was human yet persisted in pressuring him.

These wolves ran him up the tree, just because they didn't bite his behind while jumping up the tree doesn't mean they weren't hostile.


Those wolves could have covered 50 yards in the blink of an eye, to not be prepared or extract yourself to a safe location is foolhardy.

[gaddy]

OK, its foggy & visibility is low. you have wolves howling just out side the fog that have closed in from a distance. you are keyed in on the ones that are making noise & concerned about the ones that might be sneaking in from the backside in stealth mode. you had watched a documentary a few years back that showed how wolves hunt & remember seeing that they often use a decoy/distraction tactic. ya, get up that tree. if I see one, I'm always concerned about the ones I don't see.

[MtnMuley]

I have to go back to the title and say I agree with others, the guy did not get chased up the tree.  He didn't even see them.  Too close for comfort maybe, but then again overreaction could also be in play.  It is a misleading thread title,  more like "bowhunter climbs tree and stays there until the wolves he heard were gone".  Not saying he did wrong and not saying I wouldn't consider doing the same, just more to do with the title of the thread being in conflict with what happened.

[jackelope]

I have to go back to the title and say I agree with others, the guy did not get chased up the tree.  He didn't even see them.  Too close for comfort maybe, but then again overreaction could also be in play.  It is a misleading thread title,  more like "bowhunter climbs tree and stays there until the wolves he heard were gone".  Not saying he did wrong and not saying I wouldn't consider doing the same, just more to do with the title of the thread being in conflict with what happened.

Sort of why I asked on page 1 or so if the guy ever even saw the wolves. That and in response to another poster mentioning something about shooting the wolves. I don't recall the exact post.

[idahohuntr]

You've already stated by you're own admission you do not pack a handgun while archery hunting,  you'll scurry up a tree and crap your britches.   I haven't had a close encounter, but if/when I do I will defend myself.  To do otherwise is unconscionable.

There was no threat, thus no need to defend myself.  Just seeing the wolves had me a little paranoid for the walk out at night (both times this happened was during archery elk season).  It was in 2003 and 2005, and wolves were still federally protected in Idaho.  I never made any suggestion that I would not defend myself...even with my bow at least one wolf is going to take a broadhead to the face.  However, both times, as soon as the wolf saw me it turned and ran.  Unlike you, I do not support poaching.  Period.  If I had a handgun with me at the time of those encounters it would have done no good as the wolves were gone in the blink of an eye...I would have felt a little safer in my walk out though...I was guilty of feeling irrational fear.  To suggest you could have done something to "educate" them is absurd and demonstrates your extraordinary ignorance on the topic.  One thing is clear, you sure speak a lot about wolves and how people should react to them for a guy that has 0 experience.  That is a common theme with most of the wolf whackos I know.

[AspenBud]

Why am I reminded of this?   

Bear Climbs Tree Next To A Hunter

[KFhunter]

You've already stated by you're own admission you do not pack a handgun while archery hunting,  you'll scurry up a tree and crap your britches.   I haven't had a close encounter, but if/when I do I will defend myself.  To do otherwise is unconscionable.

There was no threat, thus no need to defend myself.  Just seeing the wolves had me a little paranoid for the walk out at night (both times this happened was during archery elk season).  It was in 2003 and 2005, and wolves were still federally protected in Idaho.  I never made any suggestion that I would not defend myself...even with my bow at least one wolf is going to take a broadhead to the face.  However, both times, as soon as the wolf saw me it turned and ran.  Unlike you, I do not support poaching.  Period.  If I had a handgun with me at the time of those encounters it would have done no good as the wolves were gone in the blink of an eye...I would have felt a little safer in my walk out though...I was guilty of feeling irrational fear.  To suggest you could have done something to "educate" them is absurd and demonstrates your extraordinary ignorance on the topic.  One thing is clear, you sure speak a lot about wolves and how people should react to them for a guy that has 0 experience.  That is a common theme with most of the wolf whackos I know.

I've stated many times I do not support poaching, several times in this very thread.   Defending yourself is very different than poaching.   

Your "broadhead to the face" line is laughable, what you've told me is you have no means of scaring off a wolf let alone defending yourself.  Do you think if you let fly one arrow the rest of the wolves are going to run off? Do you really expect to stone a wolf with a single arrow?  A wolf that never stands still?  And you dare call ME ignorant?  Ask the hunter from Clayton WA how well that worked out when he arrowed a wolf. 
You remind me of Timothy Treadwell. 

One incidence of seeing some wolves chasing the same Elk you happened to be chasing does not an expert make.


Where do you infer that I am a poacher?  Was it this:

I'm against shooting wolves 1000 yards away without a valid tag in your pocket,  just as I'm against shooting a wolf that turns inside out trying to flee if you "bumped noses" on a trail somewhere unless you have a tag in your pocket. 

I wrote that a page or two back, I'm sure you've seen it but you're doing so poorly in this debate you resort to slander and baseless accusations.