Letter to Raffle Tag REPOSTED!!!!!

[huntnphool]

Nowhere in his post did it say that the meat was left to rot or that it is guaranteed that it was bad.  He simply said that in the condition it was left, he personally found it hard to believe it to be good, I don't understand why that would be illegal for him to say.  He was there and visually saw the conditions of how it was left and what the weather conditions were that day.  Are you saying that he doesn't have the ability or the know how to make a generalization on whether the situation is justified or not?

Nope, just saying that starting a thread directed at him and implying that he wasted the meat, and is unethical for doing so is speculation. You even said that his post was "about ethical actions"...

Most of his argument is of ethical actions.

...yet he has no clue if any meat was lost, he assumed it. In my opinion assumption is not worthy of slander.

Now, as for the rest of his rant, again it sounds like sour grapes for having a nice bull sniped out from under him. I agree that would suck, but regardless who he thought he was chatting with, if he gave out information that led to them getting to that bull first....well then....he has nobody to blame but himself and should chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Are you seriously this retarded phool? My God man. Like Cory stated,we didn't even have a clue this bull was around. I know for a fact that Cory was ready to plug the first raghorn to come out by this point. This has nothing to do with a "bull sniped from under our noses." You speak like a 14 year boy saying stuff like "haters gunna hate." What are you a child? Speak like a man. I have no idea where the wealth came into play on this subject. I don't give two *censored*s how wealthy this guy is, or how much money he spent on his tags. That's not even a factor. What is a factor is how he, and his guide service behaved...which was piss poor. All your doing now is making yourself out to look like an idiot. Your what, in your 50s or 60s??? Act like it man.

Resort to name calling, nice.

If you guys had filled your tags then why did Cory tell him he was in there elk hunting? Now who lied to whom?

Try to stick to the points for the thread there Dakota, nice try at deflecting though.

If the guy left the animal to waste then by all means he should be charged and dealt with accordingly, but neither of you know how the meat turned out, you just assumed, so as mentioned before makes the entire thread moot.

[huntnphool]

OK so if you contacted Fish and Wildlife, then it was up to them to decide if anything had been wasted.  Haven't heard anything from them about this.

Look, I'm all about taking care of your meat before anything else gets taken care of. And I'm not impressed by guys who buy their success by buying Governors tags and hiring a guide. In fact I'm against Governors tags. I'd rather see a raffle than somebody jumping over all the average hunters because he has money.

But unless I had positive proof that the meat was wasted, I wouldn't be blasting this all over the internet months after it happened. You might be right, but if you're not, how are you going to make it up to this guy? Plus this is pretty one sided. He's not here to defend himself. Maybe someone should contact him and see if he wants to respond?

Thats all I'm saying too.

[JODakota]

OK so if you contacted Fish and Wildlife, then it was up to them to decide if anything had been wasted.  Haven't heard anything from them about this.

Look, I'm all about taking care of your meat before anything else gets taken care of. And I'm not impressed by guys who buy their success by buying Governors tags and hiring a guide. In fact I'm against Governors tags. I'd rather see a raffle than somebody jumping over all the average hunters because he has money.

But unless I had positive proof that the meat was wasted, I wouldn't be blasting this all over the internet months after it happened. You might be right, but if you're not, how are you going to make it up to this guy? Plus this is pretty one sided. He's not here to defend himself. Maybe someone should contact him and see if he wants to respond?

Your absolutely right. I see where your coming from. But let me ask you this. Lets say you report a crime being committed, lets just say a murder...do you thinkthe police are going to tell you the details of there investigation? See what im getting at? I sure hope that meat wasn't wasted and I for some reason have enough faith left in humanity to assume the best in things and that it was the best tasting elk ever had. But, the fact is that it was put at a high risk for bone sour,and those guys were more concerned about the horns, than the meat, which is just a disgrace to that animal. I for a fact would love to hear his response. I am man enough to apologize for any wrong I have committed, but from what happened, I just don't see anything to apologize for. So what is there to make up to him?

[JODakota]

Nowhere in his post did it say that the meat was left to rot or that it is guaranteed that it was bad.  He simply said that in the condition it was left, he personally found it hard to believe it to be good, I don't understand why that would be illegal for him to say.  He was there and visually saw the conditions of how it was left and what the weather conditions were that day.  Are you saying that he doesn't have the ability or the know how to make a generalization on whether the situation is justified or not?

Nope, just saying that starting a thread directed at him and implying that he wasted the meat, and is unethical for doing so is speculation. You even said that his post was "about ethical actions"...

Most of his argument is of ethical actions.

...yet he has no clue if any meat was lost, he assumed it. In my opinion assumption is not worthy of slander.

Now, as for the rest of his rant, again it sounds like sour grapes for having a nice bull sniped out from under him. I agree that would suck, but regardless who he thought he was chatting with, if he gave out information that led to them getting to that bull first....well then....he has nobody to blame but himself and should chalk it up to a lesson learned.

Are you seriously this retarded phool? My God man. Like Cory stated,we didn't even have a clue this bull was around. I know for a fact that Cory was ready to plug the first raghorn to come out by this point. This has nothing to do with a "bull sniped from under our noses." You speak like a 14 year boy saying stuff like "haters gunna hate." What are you a child? Speak like a man. I have no idea where the wealth came into play on this subject. I don't give two *censored*s how wealthy this guy is, or how much money he spent on his tags. That's not even a factor. What is a factor is how he, and his guide service behaved...which was piss poor. All your doing now is making yourself out to look like an idiot. Your what, in your 50s or 60s??? Act like it man.

Resort to name calling, nice.

If you guys had filled your tags then why did Cory tell him he was in there elk hunting? Now who lied to whom?

Try to stick to the points for the thread there Dakota, nice try at deflecting though.

If the guy left the animal to waste then by all means he should be charged and dealt with accordingly, but neither of you know how the meat turned out, you just assumed, so as mentioned before makes the entire thread moot.

What are you talking about?? Deflecting?? I filled mine, Cory filled his a few days after this hunt. I find it hilarious that you think we were upset that this bull was sniped under our noses, when neither of us had ever even knew it existed. But as you say, haters gunna hate lmao. Jesus, your like a child phool.

[JODakota]

Oh and you want to comment on the name calling? I have watched you belittle forum members with smart ass comments for over a year. Its called karma bro. Everybody has dealt with your *censored*, if you can't take it, then don't give it.

[huntnphool]

Oh and you want to comment on the name calling? I have watched you belittle forum members with smart ass comments for over a year. Its called karma bro. Everybody has dealt with your *censored*, if you can't take it, then don't give it.

I sleep just fine at night Dakota,   I'm not concerned the least bit with anything your shoveling!

[CoryTDF]

So when meat is left in the heat for nearly 24 hours it is not logical or sensible to form an opinion that it was sour? moreover, it is not appropriate to say it is my belief that said meat was sour and mishandled? Just what can we say here on HW? I would just hate to hurt somebodys feelings the thought of it just kills me. What if i lost a sweet internet friend? O the humanity.....

[BOWHUNTER45]

Its a new day ...Time to go yotey hunting 

[fastdam]

Cory I agree with you about the meat. Its wastefull and disgracefull to shoot an elk if you cannot recover the meat and utilize it. It does not last 24year hours in 90the degree september heat and if a person cannot get the meat out before its ruined then they should not shoot the elk, or deer, or whatever. That is not respectable. But it fits into a broad catagory of someone elses business. Hopefully he learned from that experience.  Things happen sometimes people may not expect and not everything goes as planned. Not making excuses but just realizing it MAY not have been intentional.  Your complaint about the meat mishandling is valid.  I find it amazing that a guide service would leave meat for a whole day in september..

[Karl Blanchard]

Beat me to it fastdam.  If meat is left on the bone in 90 degree heat for a lot less than 24 hrs it is bone sour and bad, plain and simple!  To argue otherwise is dishonest.  Can you imagine the fly larvae on that meat    If it was boned meat hanging in game bags, it might have a change but not sitting on the ground with bones in.  Not picking sides in this battle just pointing out a blatantly obvious fact.  Also it keeps being said that this is about ethics but waste of game IS illegal so this is most definitely a legal argument.  Just out of curiosity Cory, but what shape was the carcass in?  Quartered, halved, whole, boned?  Was the remainder of the hide still on it? 

[bobdog86]

What I see is this, regarding this forum.  If you write/post anything, i mean anything,,,you are exposed to comments from others, and you had better be prepared. Right or wrong There will always be people on here who feel they can do things better, have done better things, killed bigger animals and in general just feel that whatever anyone says or does can't possibly compare to their skills or accomplishments, and some will no doubt hold you to task. Whenever you post something, you gotta be ready to face the piper. People will respond with intelligent observations/comments and then there will be comments that hold very little relevance. I think this thread has gotten out of control and could have been stifled about 5 pages ago. Now it's looking like a 13 year old girls Facebook page…..my opinion.

[jrod]

Oh and you want to comment on the name calling? I have watched you belittle forum members with smart ass comments for over a year. Its called karma bro. Everybody has dealt with your *censored*, if you can't take it, then don't give it.

You hit the nail on the head Dakota !!!!  Fool's one of those guys that lives through tag holders vicariously!!  Probly has a new hunting partner every year!!   

[Pinetar]

I've been following this post since it started and it sounds to me like Cory did the right thing and has nothing to be ashamed of. He seems like a straight up guy that does it right. And he doesn't belittle and smart off like someone else on here, way to call him out jrod and Dakota. Love it!!

[Biggerhammer]

Oh and you want to comment on the name calling? I have watched you belittle forum members with smart ass comments for over a year. Its called karma bro. Everybody has dealt with your *censored*, if you can't take it, then don't give it.

You hit the nail on the head Dakota !!!!  Fool's one of those guys that lives through tag holders vicariously!!  Probly has a new hunting partner every year!!   

 

[haugenna]

Just out of curiosity Cory, but what shape was the carcass in?  Quartered, halved, whole, boned?  Was the remainder of the hide still on it?

I am curious about this as well.  Seems to be a lot of legitimate questions avoided in this thread and I don't think it needs to resort to name calling.  I am sure everyone on the thread are stand up people but it doesn't need to get ugly with name calling.  We can have a grown up discussion.

I think you did the right thing by calling the gamewarden and telling them of a potential poaching case.  If that were me, I would be following up with the gamewarden if I turned into someone to get 10 points for a poacher.  What was your follow up and what information did you get from them.
 
A couple more questions I have-
1. Why did you wait 3.5 months to post this?  If it was so unethical and horrible, why not post it right away when emotions were fresh.
2. Are you at all frustrated a rifle hunter was hunting in a archery unit during archery season?
3. When did you find out it was a governor's tag or raffle tag holder and who did you hear it from?   It doesn't sound like he was advertising he was the raffle tag holder to anyone.
4. The animal was shot just before dark, how far in was it and when is your best guess the meat was packed out. 
5.  Response to BLRMan's question.

One more silly questions I had earlier that was avoided-
If you guide for TDF, do you clean the ducks, have a hired hand clean the ducks or do you make the client clean the ducks?

Lastly, NOBODY is defending Mossback in here.  Lets not confuse the hunter with the guide.