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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2014, 02:41:09 PM »
Anyways back on track,why should it go from as little as $o cost in most places in wa. to $20 just like that?

a lot of places require a small donation of $5-$15

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2014, 02:41:57 PM »
Anyways back on track,why should it go from as little as $o cost in most places in wa. to $20 just like that?

a lot of places require a small donation of $5-$15
Its not required,its nice,but not required.
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2014, 02:42:59 PM »
so did you look it up bob33?I would assume reciprocity would also mean its in a computer system everywhere also.and that would tend to meen that the director was right in a way?here in wa. once the card is used to buy the first liscense its in the system,and you never need the card here in wa. again.So why wouldnt it be in the system everywhere like it says it is in colorado?

There is no nationwide computer system

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2014, 02:44:14 PM »
so did you look it up bob33?I would assume reciprocity would also mean its in a computer system everywhere also.and that would tend to meen that the director was right in a way?here in wa. once the card is used to buy the first liscense its in the system,and you never need the card here in wa. again.So why wouldnt it be in the system everywhere like it says it is in colorado?
This means that Washington accepts hunter education certificates from other states for anyone born after 1/1/1972 that wishes to purchase a Washington hunting license. Nothing more.
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2014, 02:47:13 PM »
Anyways back on track,why should it go from as little as $o cost in most places in wa. to $20 just like that?If the donations are covering it already.

Read up - As an incentive to attend the class you've reserved so others don't get screwed by overbooking when they really could've attended. No shows are quite high right now with no required fee. I assume that would change with a $20 fee. More people would be able to get certified in the same number of classes.
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2014, 02:48:12 PM »
Anyways back on track,why should it go from as little as $o cost in most places in wa. to $20 just like that?

a lot of places require a small donation of $5-$15
Its not required,its nice,but not required.
I think they should leave it up to the local organizations that are providing the hunters safety class to set up weather they want to require a small charge to cover ammo and volunteer expenses, with a maximum of $15 or $20.   I just don't see why the money has to go through the state.

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2014, 02:50:39 PM »
Anyways back on track,why should it go from as little as $o cost in most places in wa. to $20 just like that?If the donations are covering it already.

Read up - As an incentive to attend the class you've reserved so others don't get screwed by overbooking when they really could've attended. No shows are quite high right now with no required fee. I assume that would change with a $20 fee. More people would be able to get certified in the same number of classes.

a fee is fine to stop no shows, but it should be up to the local organization or group of volunteers to set up the required "donation" with a maximum of $15 or $20 based on how bad the "no-show" problem is

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2014, 02:52:20 PM »
Point number two is probably coming to light because of hunting accidents, and deaths. I believe it's hard to regulate across the board an age for youth hunters, but 14 seems young for some kids, but others would do fine. Remember we had a hunting death not to long ago during bear season two youths older than 14 hunting together and a hiker was killed.

I know when my son was able to drive and hunt with his friend I was always nervous about it even though he was really mature for his age.
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2014, 02:52:53 PM »
The fee will help more people get certified, less people no-show. I don't see the big deal here. It's a one-time $20 expense to get a certification that allows you to hunt for life. Regardless of whether it goes through the state or not, the hunter ed teachers will have that money to use. AND, it'll mean that there's no accounting at the end of the year for monies taken in and spent out, which eliminates the opportunity for abuse.
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2014, 02:55:49 PM »
The fee will help more people get certified, less people no-show. I don't see the big deal here. It's a one-time $20 expense to get a certification that allows you to hunt for life. Regardless of whether it goes through the state or not, the hunter ed teachers will have that money to use. AND, it'll mean that there's no accounting at the end of the year for monies taken in and spent out, which eliminates the opportunity for abuse.
+1 to all points. If someone can't afford a one time fee of $20 for 16 hours of volunteer instruction that certifies them for life, I really don't see how they will be able to do much hunting.
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2014, 02:56:11 PM »
I thinks its a stupid money grab attempt and a road block for young hunters

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2014, 02:58:25 PM »
Point number two is probably coming to light because of hunting accidents, and deaths. I believe it's hard to regulate across the board an age for youth hunters, but 14 seems young for some kids, but others would do fine. Remember we had a hunting death not to long ago during bear season two youths older than 14 hunting together and a hiker was killed.

I know when my son was able to drive and hunt with his friend I was always nervous about it even though he was really mature for his age.

I might be wrong, but I think those guys were in their 20's

plus I believe there are ALOT more hunting accidents caused by adults than kids

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2014, 02:59:25 PM »
People have "new law fatigue",  so even good bill with good intentions is going to face heavy scrutiny and nay saying.

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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2014, 02:59:54 PM »
The fee will help more people get certified, less people no-show. I don't see the big deal here. It's a one-time $20 expense to get a certification that allows you to hunt for life. Regardless of whether it goes through the state or not, the hunter ed teachers will have that money to use. AND, it'll mean that there's no accounting at the end of the year for monies taken in and spent out, which eliminates the opportunity for abuse.
+1 to all points. If someone can't afford a one time fee of $20 for 16 hours of volunteer instruction that certifies them for life, I really don't see how they will be able to do much hunting.

also if you can't afford $30 for a discover pass, and a forest pass, and a chipmunk pass,......   get my drift..... 
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Re: WDFW Requested Legislation: Hunter Education
« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2014, 03:00:55 PM »
Point number two is probably coming to light because of hunting accidents, and deaths. I believe it's hard to regulate across the board an age for youth hunters, but 14 seems young for some kids, but others would do fine. Remember we had a hunting death not to long ago during bear season two youths older than 14 hunting together and a hiker was killed.

I know when my son was able to drive and hunt with his friend I was always nervous about it even though he was really mature for his age.

I might be wrong, but I think those guys were in their 20's

plus I believe there are ALOT more hunting accidents caused by adults than kids

I guess that's possible but I'd like to see stats on that. Plus, it's not just about hunting accidents involving firearms. It's about getting used to the woods and Mother Nature, animal interactions, dealing with mechanical injuries. There's a lot of stuff that can happen which is beyond most under-14s. My  :twocents:
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