Stevens County Meeting - Regarding WDFW Authority

[bigtex]

If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive.  No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it.  Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.

WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation.

That was at the request of the Sheriff's Office, not at the request of WDFW...

[CementFinisher]

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[turkeyfeather]

I'm confused, what part of my statement were you disagreeing with?

Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I disagree that the entire wolf plan, introduction, whatever you wanna call it was widely broad cast in an effort to make sure everyone had a chance to have an opi ion heard. I recall only hearing blips and pieces here and there until it had already become a problem. And this is backed up by the suprise of many in eastern wa when they hear about the expansion of wolves and the problems they are causing. Also by this very site and the shock and outrage with the sneaky, behind closed doors deals that have been made. Where I do agree with you is that people on the west side are in approval of the wolves. Because they don't have to deal with them.

[Bob33]

"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."

As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.

[HntnFsh]

"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."

As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.

Ya, that can be broke down further yet. How about Oly north. Most people in this neck of the woods think the only good wolf is a dead wolf!

[turkeyfeather]

"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."

As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.

And that was what I meant Bob. Certainly I didn't mean everyone, but the voting majority.

[Bob33]

"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."

As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.

And that was what I meant Bob. Certainly I didn't mean everyone, but the voting majority.

It does get kind of lonely over here at times.

[baldopepper]

I deal daily with many different "wet siders", mostly in King,  Pierce, and Snohomish county and I guarantee they mostly have no opinion on the wolf issue. What the majority do have, are liberal leanings.  The bad thing about this issue is that it has become a liberal against conservative issue and many take sides on that basis only.  Somehow it would be nice if we could get  this issue back to what it really is - a matter of rural counties having to live and work in proximity to an acme predator  that no one in an urban setting would ever want introduced in their neighborhood.  It shouldn't be the lliberal against conservative issue that it has become, but I'm not sure how you get it out of that realm. There is a lot sympathy on this side for the small farmers and ranchers in the state and it would be helpful if the point could be made that a lot of these types are going to suffer with the expansion of the wolf population.  Make it a people problem, not a political problem. (Which in fact it really is) 

[CAMPMEAT]

If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive.  No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it.  Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.

WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation.

That was at the request of the Sheriff's Office, not at the request of WDFW...

I know one of the detectives that was " trained " and he said the whole entire wolf thing was a joke.......

[bobcat]

Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I disagree that the entire wolf plan, introduction, whatever you wanna call it was widely broad cast in an effort to make sure everyone had a chance to have an opi ion heard. I recall only hearing blips and pieces here and there until it had already become a problem. And this is backed up by the suprise of many in eastern wa when they hear about the expansion of wolves and the problems they are causing. Also by this very site and the shock and outrage with the sneaky, behind closed doors deals that have been made. Where I do agree with you is that people on the west side are in approval of the wolves. Because they don't have to deal with them.

Okay, this comes up every once in a while and I always have to try to clear it up...

There was no wolf introduction in this state. The WDFW did nothing other than write a plan on how to manage the wolves after they were already here. The introduction of wolves happened in Idaho, not Washington, and again, the WDFW had nothing to do with it.

Another thing- you might be surprised at how many people on the westside don't like wolves and would rather not have any in the state. Also, you say westsiders don't care because we don't have to deal with them. Well, we will soon enough. I doubt the Cascade Mountains are going to stop the natural expansion of the wolves in this state.

[turkeyfeather]

Sorry I wasn't clearer on that. I disagree that the entire wolf plan, introduction, whatever you wanna call it was widely broad cast in an effort to make sure everyone had a chance to have an opi ion heard. I recall only hearing blips and pieces here and there until it had already become a problem. And this is backed up by the suprise of many in eastern wa when they hear about the expansion of wolves and the problems they are causing. Also by this very site and the shock and outrage with the sneaky, behind closed doors deals that have been made. Where I do agree with you is that people on the west side are in approval of the wolves. Because they don't have to deal with them.

Okay, this comes up every once in a while and I always have to try to clear it up...

There was no wolf introduction in this state. The WDFW did nothing other than write a plan on how to manage the wolves after they were already here. The introduction of wolves happened in Idaho, not Washington, and again, the WDFW had nothing to do with it.

Another thing- you might be surprised at how many people on the westside don't like wolves and would rather not have any in the state. Also, you say westsiders don't care because we don't have to deal with them. Well, we will soon enough. I doubt the Cascade Mountains are going to stop the natural expansion of the wolves in this state.

Clear what up Bobcat? Read the first line again and slower this time.

[turkeyfeather]

"...people on the west side are in approval of the wolves."

As a general statement that is true but there are plenty of westside individuals who don't approve.

And that was what I meant Bob. Certainly I didn't mean everyone, but the voting majority.

It does get kind of lonely over here at times.

I know, I lived there once for about a year and a half. Was about all I could take. 

[Elkaholic daWg]

If you can't see that the voters of Stevens County are being played like a fiddle on this issue you are beyond naive.  No county prosecutor or sheriff is going to "remove" wdfw from the county and they know it.  Not saying its not a great political move in a rural county...just that anybody who believes it can actually work is sadly mistaken and being taken for a ride by another politician.

WDFW also trained all the deputies to identify wolf predation.

That was at the request of the Sheriff's Office, not at the request of WDFW...

 And just  "what difference does it make" who requested it?

[Special T]

There ARE wolves on the "Wetside" already and have been for some time There are pics on HERE of wolves in the 418, and i have seen them outside of Sedro woolley. They are also in the 437, my mother saw one and would know the difference since she had Siberian huskies and AK Malimutes when i was a young boy. If you think its hard to find wolves in the ponderosa area try the really thick stuff around here!

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Director is removed. Wolf plan nullified. New Director appointed by Inslee. New wolf plan adopted which gives wolves more protection than before.

It sounds like a horror story.

That is sort of my position too regarding the Director, I think Anderson is better than any replacement the current Commission will give us, it's the wildlife commission who chooses new directors.

That is the conundrum of the removal petition being circulated on this site. Are you going to get someone better or will it just end up making matters worse.

Always remember the old lawyers' adage for questioning on the witness stand. "You never ask a question unless you already know the answer". Otherwise, you are likely to be surprised what the answer is. There should be an acceptable replacement all ready to step in before you go about the business of removing someone, unless of course something criminal is going on.