Hunter Success

[270Shooter]

If it goes thump boom it hit it.

[Triplebrow]

I can see we are going to have to call Mythbusters on this one..........

If it goes thump boom, it hit what??   

[mossback91]

I agree with triple brow...........buddy shot a deer maybe a mile away from me this year I dont think it was event hat far away and these are fairly ope woods in the ne corner and I didnt hear his shot............Also when I took my roommate hunting he shot at the deer many times prolly 7 or 8 a little excite maybe?? well some dude came down and was acting liek mr know it all saying he heard 4 shots and 2 hit it and that it was a small pop gun suggesting a 243 or something well he was a little dumb the deer was hit 4 times ya I know a bit much also it was shot with a 7mm rem mag and that sure as hell aint no pop gun.......I think its very hard to know the circumstances in any cituation really. now back to the success stories!!!   

[KillBilly]

Often there is a significant difference in sound upon impact. Usually the impact is heard before the report.

TripleBrow.. there is most definately a very definate sound made upon impact and quite often it can be heard at long distances. And just how many years is it you,ve hunted in the NE corner? And what would the location have to do with it?

Sound upon impact that is heard at long distances..........  Ok, so how do you know what in fact the bullet impacted?

How many years have I hunted the NE corner........  Many, what does that have to do with hearing "misses".

What would location have to do with it........... Well I'm sure in the desert a prominent "thump" or sound of impact might be audible.  In the north east corner where it is heavily wooded and mountainous, sometimes you're lucky to hear a gunshot a mile or two away, let alone the "impact".

So Killbilly, please enlighten me as too your fail proof method for accounting whether or not distant shots impacted their intended targets.......

Also could you include how you differentiate through soundwaves that are audible to the human ear as to the difference of a bullet impacting an animal, tree, rotten stump, and dirt bank. 

I have been hunting for 51 years and I can tell when a bullet impacts something within the 90 percentile. First you have to hear the shot....

I have hunted the NE corner NorthPort (grass mountain) and it is still possible to tell when a shot impacts something or just goes off into space somewhere. Sure if it misses and goes for a mile or more you won't hear the impact a mile away, but let's be reasonable, that's not what we are arguing. In addition, I never claimed to tell the difference between a deer or a stump, just that it impacted something. If you believe everyone is a bad shot, then who knows what it hit, but you can still hear an impact. This is not a myth, there are many hunters that have been brought up using this method. I won't even attempt to infer that we are all crazy.

You were the one that seemed to think it was different in the NE corner.. not me. As far as the number of years, I just wondered how many of my 51 years of hunting I have been wrong.


Let's move on and add some value because we will probably never agree on this one. And if it helps, I will say you won this one.

This is a Poll, not an argument

[youngchristof]

I noticed a lower number of deer this year high.  winterkill,  oh and by the way you can hear a bullet miss

[tlbradford]

I know I am late to the party, but wasn't Palmer just describing hearing multiple shots within rapid succession?  When I hear two or three rifles shooting a few times each in a really short span of time, and during a modern firearm season, I assume they are misses or a wounded animal as well. 

[Triplebrow]

Often there is a significant difference in sound upon impact. Usually the impact is heard before the report.

TripleBrow.. there is most definately a very definate sound made upon impact and quite often it can be heard at long distances. And just how many years is it you,ve hunted in the NE corner? And what would the location have to do with it?

Sound upon impact that is heard at long distances..........  Ok, so how do you know what in fact the bullet impacted?

How many years have I hunted the NE corner........  Many, what does that have to do with hearing "misses".

What would location have to do with it........... Well I'm sure in the desert a prominent "thump" or sound of impact might be audible.  In the north east corner where it is heavily wooded and mountainous, sometimes you're lucky to hear a gunshot a mile or two away, let alone the "impact".

So Killbilly, please enlighten me as too your fail proof method for accounting whether or not distant shots impacted their intended targets.......

Also could you include how you differentiate through soundwaves that are audible to the human ear as to the difference of a bullet impacting an animal, tree, rotten stump, and dirt bank. 

I have been hunting for 51 years and I can tell when a bullet impacts something within the 90 percentile. First you have to hear the shot....

Looks like you and BTKR have conflicting ideas...... He say's you will hear the impact first, and you say that you must first hear the shot........

So you can tell within the 90th percentile when a bullet impacts something?  Have you always gone around and played CSI at the scene of every shot you heard  or is this just a number you threw out there?  I'm thinking the latter, or else your 51 years of hunting weren't actually hunting, they were playing detective......

On a side not if you want to go that route, I can tell when a bullet impacts something 100 percent of the time.   Our good friend gravity takes care of that for us . 

I fail to see how in the original post by Palmer that he feels he can accurately judge how many deer were taken out of the area he was hunting just by hearing shots in the distance.


BTKR,  If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year?  Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it? 

[Michelle_Nelson]

BTKR,  If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year?  Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it? 

Well I can answer this one for you.  He was in his truck with his music on driving to my location when I shot my deer.  How could he have heard it?  He didn't even hear me shoot.  Though if you would have read His or my version of the hunt you ould have known that.

[Michelle_Nelson]

I noticed the population of deer was down in the Northeast and I was wandering how other hunters did this year.  I added options for more than one deer since some hunters hunt Idaho, Montana, and Oregon, etc.

Now I am making the recomendation that this topic about "Hearing Hits" be dropped befor it gets out of hand!  Lets get back to the original topic started by Palmer in the first place.

[Triplebrow]

BTKR,  If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year?  Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it? 

Well I can answer this one for you.  He was in his truck with his music on driving to my location when I shot my deer.  How could he have heard it?  He didn't even hear me shoot.  Though if you would have read His or my version of the hunt you ould have known that.

Sorry michelle, I had read your story and might say it's confusing as to whether or not he heard it......  Here's your quote.


"So I look at him like he is completely off his rocker and ask didn't you just hear me shoot?

Was that you?

Uhh yeah, you didn't hear it?

No, I was in my truck and had my music on."


The "was that you", statement leads one to believe that he heard a shot................  misunderstanding that's all.   

The question about the bear still stands.

[Triplebrow]

I noticed the population of deer was down in the Northeast and I was wandering how other hunters did this year.  I added options for more than one deer since some hunters hunt Idaho, Montana, and Oregon, etc.

Now I am making the recomendation that this topic about "Hearing Hits" be dropped befor it gets out of hand!  Lets get back to the original topic started by Palmer in the first place.

GETS OUT OF HAND?  there are a lot of threads that get side tracked, but I don't see anyone jumping up and saying get back to the original point.  In fact there are 3 moderators that have partook in the "sidetracking" of this post.  This is a forum and a place to discuss things.  There is no one slamming, or degrading anyone, and I do not see any "objectionable material".  It is just a good debate/argument as to whether or not you can "hear misses".  Palmer hasn't even been back to try to explain his theory on hearing misses.   I think if you are going to moderate this discussion because it took a turn from the original topic, then you should correct/recommend this on all topics that have done the same.

[ICEMAN]

Good times! 

Ya know....some folks claim they can hear what they perceive as an impact "thump" if game is struck. Others doubt it. I percieve shots I hear in the woods a different way entirely.

I believe that this world is full of jack asses and idiots. Personally I believe that for every five shots I hear in the woods, either single shots, or multiple successive shots, that only one of them is actually taken at game. I believe that four of the five are shots into the ground at the truck as some dufus accidently slips when loading that POS carbine. I believe that others forgot their safety was crappy and touched one off into the air as they settle down on a stump ten yards from thier truck. I believe that others still are guys unloading their rifle as they walk back to the truck from thier miserable piss poor attempt to locate game from walking to the end of a landing and looking for deer with their rifle scope. Others  are simply guys making sure their gun still shoots from last year, they take a shot or two at first light after they finish wiping their butt as they finish crapping on the road. Others are trying to just clip the head off a grouse with their magnum rifle, as true hunters are trying to hunt deer and elk nearby. One of the five may actually be at game. Maybe.

So when I hear shooting in the woods, I dont listen for the thump, I dont need to. I know it is just some *censored* dicking around in the woods without a clue. But that is just my opinion, I really dont feel like arguing about it.

[Triplebrow]

ICEMAN,

I like the way you worded your response, mostly the use of the word "perceive". 

[billythekidrock]

BTKR,  If you can differentiate between a hit and a miss as well as you claim, than why did you continue to shoot rounds into the bear you got this year?  Also how did you not know whether or not MichelleNelson hit the deer she shot if you can hear it? 

You can be skeptical if you want, but I am getting tired of your nit picking. It is not 100%  100% of the time.

I continued shooting because the bear never moved and I didn't want to pack my rifle all the way down there. I believe that I stated I even knew I missed by sound on that one. On my second bear this year I heard the impact before the report. I even told Michelle that when she asked if I hit it.

No, I did not even hear Michelle shoot her deer.

Actually both bears this year. Yes, usually you will hear it before the report. Sometimes it will be like a POP..POW. It can depend on distance, terrain and other variables, but it can often be heard over long distances. This summer I could tell both a hit and a miss on two different days from the same location. The same shooter, using the same rifle shot from the same place to the same place at a bear one day and a coyote the next. I could hear the hit one day and the miss the next day from almost 1.5 miles as the crow flies even though there were hills and timber between us.

Just depends. If you are shooting a little gun at a long distance you will hear the report then the hit.
If you hit a deer or elk in the shoulder you might hear a "whack" but if you hit it in the stomach you might hear something like a "wump" or "plop".

[Triplebrow]

Ok, fair enough.  I agree that perhaps it can be heard SOME of the time.  I just don't think a person can judge how much game is taken out of an area using this method, and I'm sure that's not what YOU were implying.  I'm done with the nit picking now.