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Tough-Duck-Dog
« on: March 05, 2014, 12:57:56 PM »
OK maybe my dogs are spoiled...

Link to rough water sea duck retrives.
http://video.fieldandstream.com/video/Toughest-Duck-Dog-Youll-See-All

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2014, 01:50:43 PM »
Good example of why you never, never go in the water after a dog in trouble. They'll likely find a way out but, you won't. That's a tough life that certainly would bang a dog up pretty good over time. I bet they don't see hunting at 7-8 years old on a regular diet of retrieves like that.
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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2014, 01:57:02 PM »
Cool video...tough dogs for sure!
I felt like a one legged cat trying to bury a terd on a frozen pond!

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2014, 02:00:53 PM »
Ok....get your fingers nimble for the flaming I may receive.

Sorry...but I see couragous (sp?) dogs and stupid hunters. How easy would it be for that to go badly? What duck is worth putting your dog in that kind of conditions? To me that is nothing but bravado on the hunters part and putting your dog in life threatening conditions for a duck is pretty dumb.

And go!

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2014, 02:11:54 PM »
Ok....get your fingers nimble for the flaming I may receive.

Sorry...but I see couragous (sp?) dogs and stupid hunters. How easy would it be for that to go badly? What duck is worth putting your dog in that kind of conditions? To me that is nothing but bravado on the hunters part and putting your dog in life threatening conditions for a duck is pretty dumb.

And go!

I agree with you. I will never put my dog in a situation that I see as dangerous. I know that dogs can do things out of your control and accidents happen but if I have any say it won't!
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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2014, 02:21:57 PM »
I get that there is risk. Taking your dog out for chukar, making a river retrieve, hunting near an ice edge...I get that. However, this is just to extreme for me to think the dog is anything but swimming for his or her life each time it is sent out.

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2014, 03:21:06 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with a dog doing what it was bred and trained to do. What I think is worse is when a dog owner keeps a hunting dog inside, pampered and over fed all year long,then when hunting season comes around they expect them to be athletic and accustom to the cold weather.

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2014, 03:27:40 PM »
Nor do I Jason...I agree. However, as I mentioned I would never send a dog out in those conditions. You may, thats cool, it is your decision when and where you run your dog.

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2014, 03:28:18 PM »
I don't see anything wrong with a dog doing what it was bred and trained to do. What I think is worse is when a dog owner keeps a hunting dog inside, pampered and over fed all year long,then when hunting season comes around they expect them to be athletic and accustom to the cold weather.

Its one thing to be trained and bred to make water retrieves but I think the bad part is the danger of him/her getting slammed into the rocks or swept under a rogue wave. All water retrieves have an element of risk but to me, this is a little excessive.
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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 04:13:48 PM »
Nor do I Jason...I agree. However, as I mentioned I would never send a dog out in those conditions. You may, thats cool, it is your decision when and where you run your dog.

I agree with you 100%

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2014, 04:24:57 PM »
I think guys play the hand they are dealt. Guys in the Southeast send dogs out for retrieves where alligators hang out, guys in the Midwest send grouse dogs into areas known to have wolves, others send dogs into areas with snakes, and then you have these guys.

Bird dogs die, some guys are more willing to accept that and chance things than others. Not my cup of tea, but I get it. Would love to know the breeding behind those dogs. If they can handle that there probably isn't much they can't.


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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2014, 04:53:39 PM »
To put an un-educated dog in that condition cold would be like taking surf lessons for the first time on the north shore. When the dog is taught from the start to be in waves and climb rocks etc, it knows nothing else. People forget, dogs only know what you present to them and teach. If the dog only knows waves and wind, it thinks nothing different of it.

Do I like seeing that dog slammed on the rocks? not at all. He does sure seem to know his way around and doesn't show the slightest sign of distress.
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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2014, 05:05:26 PM »
Tough dogs for sure. But wouldn't be my dog out there in those conditions.
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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 05:35:57 PM »
 
To put an un-educated dog in that condition cold would be like taking surf lessons for the first time on the north shore. When the dog is taught from the start to be in waves and climb rocks etc, it knows nothing else. People forget, dogs only know what you present to them and teach. If the dog only knows waves and wind, it thinks nothing different of it.

Do I like seeing that dog slammed on the rocks? not at all. He does sure seem to know his way around and doesn't show the slightest sign of distress.
:yeah:
The way that dog launches itself into the water shows that it doesn't mind doing it.

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2014, 11:36:40 AM »
Ok....get your fingers nimble for the flaming I may receive.

Sorry...but I see couragous (sp?) dogs and stupid hunters. How easy would it be for that to go badly? What duck is worth putting your dog in that kind of conditions? To me that is nothing but bravado on the hunters part and putting your dog in life threatening conditions for a duck is pretty dumb.

And go!

I agree with both of you. Can my male do it? Damn right. Will I let him? Hell no!

I agree with you. I will never put my dog in a situation that I see as dangerous. I know that dogs can do things out of your control and accidents happen but if I have any say it won't!

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2014, 11:40:02 AM »
I have put my Lab in rough surf when he was about 1 or so. He handled it like a boss. I on the other hand, quivered and shook like a crying baby. He loved it. But not me. Never again, not by choice anyway.

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2014, 11:48:40 AM »
I have put my Lab in rough surf when he was about 1 or so. He handled it like a boss. I on the other hand, quivered and shook like a crying baby. He loved it. But not me. Never again, not by choice anyway.

Same here.  My dog is capable and if asked would go without hesitation.  That's the part where I come in.  I need to be the filter on what I am willing to put my hunting dogs through.  What these guys were doing especially on a landing like that in those swells has a high chance for injury or worse.  I would never be willing to put a dog through that.  I've spent to much time and effort into training and besides that my dogs are part of my family.  I have to manage the risk that I put on them.  I can't imagine these dog's being able to stand up to that past 6 or 7 years old max.

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Re: Tough-Duck-Dog
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2014, 04:15:14 PM »
I agree, I saw myself asking the same question.  Is hunting that worth your dogs life?  I just bought a chocolate lab, she's 6 months now and I hope to get her some action next duck season but me thinking about putting her in that situation makes me sick to my stomach.  But after all, they are French... French Canadian that is  :chuckle:

 


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