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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2014, 11:08:45 AM »
After a particularly long and "adventurous" night as a young man, my father told me that "if you sleep with dogs, you'll get fleas or worse." This jewel of wisdom has stuck with me and has special significance to this specific situation. Giving credibility to any of these groups by partnering with them in any way will eventually bite the WDFW and us in the arse.
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2014, 11:11:40 AM »
After a particularly long and "adventurous" night as a young man, my father told me that "if you sleep with dogs, you'll get fleas or worse." This jewel of wisdom has stuck with me and has special significance to this specific situation. Giving credibility to any of these groups by partnering with them in any way will eventually bite the WDFW and us in the arse.




...............and hopefully it will be a BIG bite and hurt like he!!. :tup:
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2014, 11:13:11 AM »
Here's a response to my letter of objection to the wildlife commission regarding partnering with HSUS, NCW, and CBD to build a large reward:

Just as we are charged with enforcing natural resource laws, we are also responsible for maximizing recreational hunting opportunities across the state.  We take both responsibilities very seriously, and would never allow our commitment to maintain and expand hunting opportunities to be compromised through the relationships required to offer a reward in a poaching case.  We have a long history of working with people and organizations who agree on some issues and disagree on others, and we consistently strive to serve the best interests of Washington State, its people, and its fish and wildlife resources.

Thank you again for expressing your concerns.  We hope, as you suggest, that our news release proves effective in generating information that will help us identify and prosecute those responsible for this crime.

Sincerely,

Bruce Botka
Community Outreach and Public Affairs
Department of Fish & Wildlife
360-902-2262 (w)
360-870-4249 (c)
bruce.botka@dfw.wa.gov

I wished WDFW actually took the underlined comment seriously. What I see is the elimination or restriction of many pursuits in a progressive manner.

Hound Hunting
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Americans are systematically advocating, legislating, and voting away each others rights. Support all user groups & quit losing opportunity!

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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2014, 11:16:10 AM »
After a particularly long and "adventurous" night as a young man, my father told me that "if you sleep with dogs, you'll get fleas or worse." This jewel of wisdom has stuck with me and has special significance to this specific situation. Giving credibility to any of these groups by partnering with them in any way will eventually bite the WDFW and us in the arse.




...............and hopefully it will be a BIG bite and hurt like he!!. :tup:

It will and we're the ones who'll feel the pain.  :bash:
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2014, 11:36:16 AM »
After a particularly long and "adventurous" night as a young man, my father told me that "if you sleep with dogs, you'll get fleas or worse." This jewel of wisdom has stuck with me and has special significance to this specific situation. Giving credibility to any of these groups by partnering with them in any way will eventually bite the WDFW and us in the arse.




...............and hopefully it will be a BIG bite and hurt like he!!. :tup:

It will and we're the ones who'll feel the pain.  :bash:


Isn't that the 100% truth... >:(
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2014, 11:36:49 AM »
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·         All three of the groups who have pledged their financial assistance – Conservation Northwest, the Center for Biological Diversity, and The Humane Society of the United States –approached us in an effort to help us apprehend the person or persons responsible for this crime.  Their pledges helped us offer a much larger reward than we would have been able to do otherwise, so we felt it would greatly enhance our opportunity for success.

So, they can't see the problem with accepting assistance from groups like those?  :bash:

I have to admit that I know nothing about Center for Biological Diversity, but I know enough about CN and plenty about HSUS.  HSUS should broken up and made to go away with the crap they pull; there is no way that they should be left in existence..........bunch of wackos. >:(
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2014, 12:37:14 PM »
So When the Cattleman's association wanted to hire an experienced wolf trapper that a WDFW bio could accompany and they rejected the Funding they did so because???? If memory serves correctly it was because they didn't want the process to be tainted or have any possible association with impropriety... Can we find any other double standards?
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2014, 02:43:15 PM »
So When the Cattleman's association wanted to hire an experienced wolf trapper that a WDFW bio could accompany and they rejected the Funding they did so because???? If memory serves correctly it was because they didn't want the process to be tainted or have any possible association with impropriety... Can we find any other double standards?
To be fair this is a different situation...I don't think they would take money from these advocacy groups to fund monitoring efforts?? But maybe they would  :dunno:  :dunno: That would be very hypocritical.

However, if Cattlemens wanted to throw in another $5k to up the reward I'm sure WDFW would accept  :chuckle:
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2014, 02:47:37 PM »
It's not different at all. They favor financial offers of assistance from the wolf lovers and turn it down from the people who are being negatively impacted by the wolves. Clear message here: We're happy to hold hands with the HSUS but when our own citizens want to assist, no way.
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2014, 03:21:58 PM »
The cattleman's association just wanted a trapper with actual experience instead of a WDFW "Certified" expert... However the Cattlemen said that the "certified" expert could tag along, and take samples put on collars, and learn from a pro.... Cant imagine why they declined such a generous offer.  :bash:
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2014, 04:10:02 PM »
The cattleman's association just wanted a trapper with actual experience instead of a WDFW "Certified" expert... However the Cattlemen said that the "certified" expert could tag along, and take samples put on collars, and learn from a pro.... Cant imagine why they declined such a generous offer.  :bash:

speaks volumes don't it  :bash:

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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2014, 04:22:10 PM »
The cattleman's association just wanted a trapper with actual experience instead of a WDFW "Certified" expert... However the Cattlemen said that the "certified" expert could tag along, and take samples put on collars, and learn from a pro.... Cant imagine why they declined such a generous offer.  :bash:
The things I have heard from WDFW staff suggest they have difficulty trapping wolves and collaring enough of them...and that they very much rely on the publics help with observations to aid their trapping efforts...so, if there are folks out there that can help them get more collars on more wolves...particularly if the help is free or low cost and wdfw is rejecting the offer...then maybe pman needs to write another letter and get an explanation?  Not saying this is the case, but sometimes if it sounds too good to be true...
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2014, 08:58:34 PM »
I Will look at this as an "Educational Opportunity".... It has been SEVERAL years now since the WDFW so graciously declined financial help from the cattlemen association. To go back that far in "Ancient History" Can only be to assign Blame so.... I have been taught it is best to ask people Questions to which you already know the answer... WHY? Because it tells you a lot about YOUR assumptions about the other party. WDFW asked for help from the general public. MANY people called to report their sightings ad got told they were mistaken... they were likely huskies or hybrids or something other than wolves.... Fast forward to the cattlemen association volunteering to provide funds to verify actual wolf information...

So if you think ASKING the WDFW About this old news will get you anywhere you are asking an agency that asked for help then REFUSED it...If you can come up with a good reason Im all ears but back then they had NO COMMENT....
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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #73 on: March 25, 2014, 05:58:42 PM »
Chalk me up as another sportsman with no faith in Wdfw. They have two paths they follow ...politics meaning kissing ass to those in charge ??not us.  And the enforcement division has been hijacked by the swat team crowd.  I think the amount of poaching has been and remains relatively small.  The agents could give a crap about anything  but making a bust.  Public relations with sportsmen sucks.  The same people that turned there back on the trappers and hound men are now in charge.

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Re: WDFW Offers Reward for info ................wolf killing
« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2014, 11:10:33 AM »
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