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Quote from: Northway on March 25, 2014, 10:07:28 AMWhat is the proper level of notification/education vs. the risk?I'll address the constructive portion of your post:WDFW should have a warning on their website and in the hunting regulations warning hunters, trappers, ranchers, taxidermists, and other higher risk groups of the prevelance, potential dangers, and how to avoid infection by Echinococcus granulosus.
What is the proper level of notification/education vs. the risk?
Northway. Im amused at your summation of my comments. I agree with Bearpaw about notifying the public. My point has been dont minimize the opinion of experienced people. They have a lot to offer and in some subjects they know more than the people publishing stuff on the Internet. Their opinion about liver cysts is accurate, they are a new thing. Clearly that offended you but I've found it to be true.
Quote from: bearpaw on March 25, 2014, 10:28:20 AMQuote from: Northway on March 25, 2014, 10:07:28 AMWhat is the proper level of notification/education vs. the risk?I'll address the constructive portion of your post:WDFW should have a warning on their website and in the hunting regulations warning hunters, trappers, ranchers, taxidermists, and other higher risk groups of the prevelance, potential dangers, and how to avoid infection by Echinococcus granulosus.The warning on the WDFW site makes sense to the extent that there is a risk of transmission. Speaking of that risk, you've provided a lot of information on this thread about EG, but one piece of information that has eluded me for a while now is how many confirmed cases in humans have there been in the NRM over the last 15 years? How about Alaska or Canada? I have not found that information yet.
Lifecycle and PathogenesisEchinococcus spp. lifecycles may involve many different hosts (Figure 1). In Alaska, intermediate hosts for E. granulosus aremoose or caribou, and for E. multilocularis, voles. For either species of Echinococcus, canids – whether pets or wild animalssuch as foxes or wolves – serve as definitive hosts. Canids are infected by eating echinococcal cysts from intermediate hostviscera. Humans are infected by ingesting eggs that are shed in the feces of infected canids.Once ingested, eggs hatch and release embryos into the small intestine that penetrate the mucosa and disseminate throughoutthe body via venous and lymphatic systems. Embryos typically lodge in liver or lungs, forming cysts that enlarge concentricallyand can attain large sizes before becoming symptomatic or being diagnosed. Cysts may rupture and, if in the lung, are sometimes expectorated; or, if in the abdomen, may seed surrounding tissues resulting in the development of secondary cysts.
Human Cases in AlaskaSince the 1950s, over 300 cases of echinococcosis were reported to the Section of Epidemiology. Most cases were among persons from St. Lawrence Island or other rural parts of the State. Data have been summarized elsewhere.1,2,4Since 1990, only eight cases of E. granulosus and no cases of E. multilocularis have been reported. Because cases may be asymptomatic, the actual number of infections could be higher. Of the eight cases reported, the average age of patients was 35years (range 13-97 years). Half of the patients were female, and 63% (5 of were Alaska Native. Four cases were reported inAnchorage/Mat-Su Boroughs; two in the northwestern region of Alaska; and one each in the interior and southeastern regions.Recommendations1. Human echinococcosis is a sporadic disease in Alaska. The best method of preventing infection is by interrupting theparasite’s lifecycle.Ÿ Wash hands well after contact with dogs or items that maybe contaminated with dog feces.Ÿ Prevent dogs from eating viscera of potentially infectedanimals.Ÿ Meat from hoofstock infected with Echinococcus is safe to eat; cook thoroughly and avoid eating organs with cysts.· Infections in dogs can be treated with praziquantel.2. Echinococcosis is a reportable public health condition for healthcare providers and laboratories. Reports can be made directly to the Section of Epidemiology at (907) 269-8000 during business hours and (800) 478-0084 after hours. Epidemiology can also facilitate submission of diagnostic specimens to CDC.
Echinococcosis-associated deaths from 1990 through 2007 were identified from multiple-cause-coded death records and were combined with US census data to calculate mortality rates. A total of 41 echinococcosis-associated deaths occurred over the 18-year study period.
The majority of echinococcosis-related deaths (35, 85%) occurred in persons over 35 years of age, with the highest rates noted in persons 85+ years. Echinococcus species was unspecified in 36 (88%) cases and was identified as E. granulosus and E. multilocularis in 3 (7%) and 2 (5%) cases, respectively. Site of infection was unspecified in 23 cases (56%), infection of liver and lung were recorded in 17 (42%) and 1 (2%) cases, respectively. Echinococcosis-related deaths fluctuated throughout the 18-year study period, ranging from 0–5 deaths annually, with 26 (63%) and 15 (37%) cases reported in the first and second halves of the study period, respectively. Twenty-three states reported echinococcosis-related fatalities, with California (9, 22%) having the highest number of deaths. A majority of echinococcosis-related deaths (30, 73%) occurred in foreign-born persons. Mean age at death differed slightly between foreign-born (57.9) and U.S.-born persons (64.5), and gender differences were observed (70% and 45% males, respectively).
Alaska has more incidents most likely because natives live closely with their dogs.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on March 25, 2014, 12:31:48 PMWolf lover, you're talking about e. granulosus as if it's no big deal. You're lying to yourself and everyone else. It is a big deal. If these were naturally occurring wolves, such as the ones which used to live in WA, I would maybe agree with you. But they aren't. They were brought in from Canada and they were sick when they were brought in. They were supposed to be disease-free as part of the requirements for introducing animals into the ecosystem. Science was manipulated to import these eaters into our state and lies were told, and you're OK with that. These veterinarians that you hold so dear for their knowledge let their zeal for wolves, like yours, dictate what they told us. They should be stripped of their ability to practice and criminally tried for breaking the law by lying to Congress to achieve their goals.Babble..babble...babble...that's all I see here.Even if the wolf was never reintroduced and e. granulosus never ever existed here before you would still have to be careful when handling game, deworm your dogs, and make sure they don't eat or roll in other canines' poop. The threat of parasites is not going to go away even if wolves and e. granulosus does.You are making a mountain out of a dung hill when there are MANY better arguments against wolves. I know a raft of veterinarians and I've asked many of them about this worm and to a person they don't blink and say don't eat wolf poop, wash your hands, and keep fido away from dead animals and poop.I'm really sick of fellow sportsmen buying into garbage like this or spreading around crazy conspiracy theories. It makes us all look foolish and crazy.
Wolf lover, you're talking about e. granulosus as if it's no big deal. You're lying to yourself and everyone else. It is a big deal. If these were naturally occurring wolves, such as the ones which used to live in WA, I would maybe agree with you. But they aren't. They were brought in from Canada and they were sick when they were brought in. They were supposed to be disease-free as part of the requirements for introducing animals into the ecosystem. Science was manipulated to import these eaters into our state and lies were told, and you're OK with that. These veterinarians that you hold so dear for their knowledge let their zeal for wolves, like yours, dictate what they told us. They should be stripped of their ability to practice and criminally tried for breaking the law by lying to Congress to achieve their goals.
Quote from: bearpaw on March 25, 2014, 02:32:26 PMAlaska has more incidents most likely because natives live closely with their dogs.Geeze, you downplay the spread of tapeworms by dogs in Washington and blame it all on wolves, and then blame it on people living closely with their dogs in Alaska? Which is it?
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on March 25, 2014, 05:03:06 PMQuote from: bearpaw on March 25, 2014, 02:32:26 PMAlaska has more incidents most likely because natives live closely with their dogs.Geeze, you downplay the spread of tapeworms by dogs in Washington and blame it all on wolves, and then blame it on people living closely with their dogs in Alaska? Which is it?If you read any of the info it says that all canines can be hosts. I am concerned because wolves in ID/MT were tested by WSU and have a 62/63% infection rate and wolves travel hundreds of miles cross country leaving feces all along the way which can widely spread the parasite, thus Washington may soon become a black area on the Stanford University map. Many people worm their dogs, but who is worming all of the wolves?
Quote from: bearpaw on March 25, 2014, 05:33:54 PMQuote from: Sitka_Blacktail on March 25, 2014, 05:03:06 PMQuote from: bearpaw on March 25, 2014, 02:32:26 PMAlaska has more incidents most likely because natives live closely with their dogs.Geeze, you downplay the spread of tapeworms by dogs in Washington and blame it all on wolves, and then blame it on people living closely with their dogs in Alaska? Which is it?If you read any of the info it says that all canines can be hosts. I am concerned because wolves in ID/MT were tested by WSU and have a 62/63% infection rate and wolves travel hundreds of miles cross country leaving feces all along the way which can widely spread the parasite, thus Washington may soon become a black area on the Stanford University map. Many people worm their dogs, but who is worming all of the wolves?Do you have any thoughts on why the distribution of Echinococcosis on the Stanford map excludes California compared to the Echinococcosis mortality study you provided a link to which states that 25% of the Ech. deaths reported in the United States occurred in California? Here is another distribution map which has some differences:http://openi.nlm.nih.gov/detailedresult.php?img=2045672_1752-1947-1-93-1&req=4
This is meant to be a joke.....Didn't the OR-7 wolf travel down through OR into California? Maybe someone was checking his scat?
