The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[timberfaller]

"why a hunter would support selling off public land"

Because most land was NOT "public" before hand, it was "private" and mostly "farm" land.  IT actually produce something other then WEEDS! and provided for "family's" well being!

 

[wolfbait]

Interesting read!

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00727/cwcs_executive_summary.pdf

Did any of you read this? If you didn't you should and then compare it to the Wildlands Project video!

The Wildlands Project Wildlands Project

[AspenBud]

"why a hunter would support selling off public land"

Because most land was NOT "public" before hand, it was "private" and mostly "farm" land.  IT actually produce something other then WEEDS! and provided for "family's" well being!

You are making the big assumption that any buyer other than the state would be interested in farming it and not simply plopping a subdivision on it.

[AspenBud]

Interesting read!

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00727/cwcs_executive_summary.pdf

Did any of you read this? If you didn't you should and then compare it to the Wildlands Project video!

The Wildlands Project Wildlands Project

See many blue helmets in the woods Wolfbait?   

[timberfaller]

"You are making the big assumption that any buyer other than the state would be interested in farming it and not simply plopping a subdivision on it."

No I don't,  if you've been paying attention for a couple of decades the "family farm" has been dis-appearing.

I know WHO was going to buy the ranch before the "state" was directed to its sale.  Some one had to have 5 million on hand!!  Had not that country's dollar taken a hit, the Big Valley would have become a golf course.   Thankfully it didn't.

Farm land SHOULD remain farm land and kept up.   WFWD buys up land, based on "assumptions" that will sound good to the un-informed  public.  Then they allow them to become weed farms because the don't have the man-power to keep them up.

The only time their land acquisitions work is when they lease them out and make someone else responsible for its up keep.

I like the ole saying, "Hello, I am from the government, I am here to help!"

[Curly]

Farm land SHOULD remain farm land and kept up.   WFWD buys up land, based on "assumptions" that will sound good to the un-informed  public.  Then they allow them to become weed farms because the don't have the man-power to keep them up.

I can agree with that.  And I have an example to share, except this property was bought by USFWS.  There was a longtime dairy farm near Littlerock on the Black River.  Well about 10 years or so ago the property was bought and turned into a wildlife refuge.  I hunted there a few times back in the 80's and there were always tons of ducks and geese there in the river and up on the grass that was grazed by the dairy cows.

Fast forward to now when it is a refuge.  Hardly ever see any ducks or geese there now.  The grass is always 4' feet or so high and not good feed for ducks or geese.  It was much better waterfowl habitat back when the farm was in operation.

There are some ducks and geese that nest there, so that is good, but they could have nested when it was an operating farm too.

[AspenBud]

No I don't,  if you've been paying attention for a couple of decades the "family farm" has been dis-appearing.

Farm land SHOULD remain farm land and kept up. 

I actually don't disagree with that, the problem is that means zoning laws and inevitably someone like Wolfbait will complain that the government is telling him what he should do and that it's his property and if he wants to sell it to a land developer to make it a subdivision or golf course that's his right.

I'll take state acquisitions over housing and golf courses.

[AspenBud]

Farm land SHOULD remain farm land and kept up.   WFWD buys up land, based on "assumptions" that will sound good to the un-informed  public.  Then they allow them to become weed farms because the don't have the man-power to keep them up.

I can agree with that.  And I have an example to share, except this property was bought by USFWS.  There was a longtime dairy farm near Littlerock on the Black River.  Well about 10 years or so ago the property was bought and turned into a wildlife refuge.  I hunted there a few times back in the 80's and there were always tons of ducks and geese there in the river and up on the grass that was grazed by the dairy cows.

Fast forward to now when it is a refuge.  Hardly ever see any ducks or geese there now.  The grass is always 4' feet or so high and not good feed for ducks or geese.  It was much better waterfowl habitat back when the farm was in operation.

There are some ducks and geese that nest there, so that is good, but they could have nested when it was an operating farm too.

On the other hand you have a another phenomenon unfolding in the Midwest where CRP is being converted to crop land and actually destroying nesting habitat for ducks and cover for pheasants.

This is not a black and white issue imo.  Both sides are guilty of mismanagement. The difference is public land is just that, public.

[wolfbait]

The Dirty Little Secret on Sage Grouse

http://m.elkodaily.com/news/opinion/commentary-the-dirty-little-secret-on-sage-grouse/article_6b260c46-b946-11e3-aa3d-0019bb2963f4.html?mobile_touch=true

[JLS]

Oooh, another dirty little secret that doesn't support the ESA "scam" theory.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/apr/04/feds-mine-grizzlies-can-coexist-in-cabinet/

[JLS]

The Dirty Little Secret on Sage Grouse

http://m.elkodaily.com/news/opinion/commentary-the-dirty-little-secret-on-sage-grouse/article_6b260c46-b946-11e3-aa3d-0019bb2963f4.html?mobile_touch=true

And the other dirty little secret is that a very large number of Montana ranchers, you know those hippy minded enviro freaks that have roots dating back to the 1880's, highly oppose both increased coal mining and the development of additional railroad infrastructure to support the increased coal mining.

Maybe the representate from Superior should focus on the mines in the Cabinets.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/26/nation/la-na-montana-coal-20130427

[JLS]

The Northern Plains Resource Council, comprised of farmers and ranchers in the Tongue River basin in SE Montana have been fighting the Tongue River railroad and development of the Otter Creek coal deposits for many years.  It has nothing to do with sage grouse.  They are trying to protect their livelihood from much more dangerous entities than the Wildlands Project.

Clint McRae is a personal friend of mine.  He has a conservation ethic that is beyond compare, which may come as a surprise to many that think ranching and wildlife are not compatible.  The McRae's embrace their heritage and ranching tradition while supporting groups like the Montana Wildlife Federation.  Their land is open to public hunting.  They care about the legacy they leave behind.

http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201305/warren-buffett-coal-2.aspx

https://www.northernplains.org/

I am posting all of this because it irritates me to no end when editorials run that try to pin everything on ESA species.  The sage grouse is not endangered in Montana, so let's focus on that.  Let's not get led astray by a pipline of BS spread by someone that has much greater motives that are not all that transparent.

[wolfbait]

BLUE: TheBlazeTV with Dana Loesch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSNqdseT2nY&list=UU9g-fHxqchPA0fy38VG0PrA

[wolfbait]

The Northern Plains Resource Council, comprised of farmers and ranchers in the Tongue River basin in SE Montana have been fighting the Tongue River railroad and development of the Otter Creek coal deposits for many years.  It has nothing to do with sage grouse.  They are trying to protect their livelihood from much more dangerous entities than the Wildlands Project.

Clint McRae is a personal friend of mine.  He has a conservation ethic that is beyond compare, which may come as a surprise to many that think ranching and wildlife are not compatible.  The McRae's embrace their heritage and ranching tradition while supporting groups like the Montana Wildlife Federation.  Their land is open to public hunting.  They care about the legacy they leave behind.

http://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/201305/warren-buffett-coal-2.aspx

https://www.northernplains.org/

I am posting all of this because it irritates me to no end when editorials run that try to pin everything on ESA species.  The sage grouse is not endangered in Montana, so let's focus on that.  Let's not get led astray by a pipline of BS spread by someone that has much greater motives that are not all that transparent.

So you are tired of the ESA fraud being exposed? It's funny that you are not up in arms about the wolf predation on livestock, one in nine livestock kills confirmed, cows aborting their calves or the weight losses from wolf harassment. You are taking a stand now?

"The sage grouse is not endangered in Montana, so let's focus on that."

The Canadian grey wolves were never endangered, but look what happened there?

[wolfbait]

The Northern Plains Resource Council, comprised of farmers and ranchers in the Tongue River basin in SE Montana have been fighting the Tongue River railroad and development of the Otter Creek coal deposits for many years.  It has nothing to do with sage grouse.  They are trying to protect their livelihood from much more dangerous entities than the Wildlands Project.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00727/cwcs_executive_summary.pdf