The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[westsidehntr]

Sorry for derailing the thread onto Trex.

http://www.trex.com/products/decking/?gclid=CjwKEAjwkK6wBRCcoK_tiOT-zFASJAC7RAri9YpKM7ACIhpPZGeAySTcNYDCOA8AtYpwnnw9o86BmxoCvk7w_wcB

Did trex start because timber is an endangered species??

[WAcoyotehunter]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Wait a minute. Do you question that dinosaur's existed?

If it turns out that westsidehntr doesn't believe that dinosaurs existed, I will feel like the biggest idiot on the planet for having wasted so much time arguing with this guy

Quick question, has anyone seen a "sage grouse" in or around Chelan, Okanogan area?

I've seen lots of Blues and Ruffs,  in Douglas county I've hunted and seen "sage hens" and Sharptails.

Never seen a Sage Grouse(Prairie Chicken) that the Feds are trying to get listed.  Except in pictures, haven't traveled much in this country, too much a home body!

Not sure how much of a HomeBody, buy they are like 30 miles from where you live.

[AspenBud]

I've seen sage grouse in Douglas county.

And there were fires there this year.

[AspenBud]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Wait a minute. Do you question that dinosaur's existed?

 

[WAcoyotehunter]

I've seen sage grouse in Douglas county.

And there were fires there this year.

[AspenBud]

I've seen sage grouse in Douglas county.

And there were fires there this year.

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/wildfires/2015/07/11/douglas-county-fires-grow-threaten-homes/30021269/

[WAcoyotehunter]

I don't think those fires will impact the grouse too much, they tend to be up around leahy

[Curly]

Timberfaller, wouldn't you think it is a good thing that they are paying attention to sage grouse habitat.  Maybe prior to paying attention they might just let some sage brush burn, but if they know about sage grouse living there, maybe they would be more likely to not let it burn up.  I would think you'd be for that.......

[wolfbait]

Timberfaller, wouldn't you think it is a good thing that they are paying attention to sage grouse habitat.  Maybe prior to paying attention they might just let some sage brush burn, but if they know about sage grouse living there, maybe they would be more likely to not let it burn up.  I would think you'd be for that.......

Spotted owl, wolves, grizzly bears, fish, protecting these critters is not about their habitat, it is about Who is in control of the water and land etc., taking private property rights away etc..

Taking Liberty, How Private Property is being Abolished in America

http://www.takingliberty.us/TLHome.html

[Stein]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Yes, it does.  Even if you don't care about that bird, you probably care about two other animals that inhabit the same areas - mule deer and antelope.  I'm not saying listing them is the right thing, but taking care of the habitat is.  The decline is pretty spooky.

We know how to conserve animals - deer, elk, salmon, and others are at fantastic numbers now.

[AspenBud]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Yes, it does.  Even if you don't care about that bird, you probably care about two other animals that inhabit the same areas - mule deer and antelope.  I'm not saying listing them is the right thing, but taking care of the habitat is.  The decline is pretty spooky.

We know how to conserve animals - deer, elk, salmon, and others are at fantastic numbers now.

Elk like sage grouse habitat as well. It serves as winter range and calving ground for them in a lot of places.

[bobcat]

Deer, elk, and antelope ALL benefit from sagebrush. So if you don't care about a bird, maybe you do care about those big game animals. (If you're a hunter) Wolfbait we know you're not so it makes sense that you don't care about protecting wildlife habitat.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Bwahhahahahahahaa best thread I have read all day!!! 

[timberfaller]

Curly,  I've always been FOR saving Wildlife's habitats!!  Burning(let it burn )it at times is beneficial, BUT wildfires do more damage then controlled burns and any evil logger ever did!!

There are better ways of "lowering fuel loads" then just controlled burns too.   BUT people in powerful  places don't listen to common sense or "species" needs.

Case in point, back when the Methow Ranger district started into the program of "controlled burns" would NOT listen to those about Grouse nesting practices.  WE tried to convince them other wise but their "biologist" trumped common sense.  IF you know forest grouse nesting habits you'll understand.

AND most of the "controlled" burns turned into full blown wild fires   We had a name for them in the Methow, "Luecheon's Pollutions"

Destroyed lots of nests over a period of just a few years,  and some wonder where oh where did all the grouse go??

[wolfbait]

Deer, elk, and antelope ALL benefit from sagebrush. So if you don't care about a bird, maybe you do care about those big game animals. (If you're a hunter) Wolfbait we know you're not so it makes sense that you don't care about protecting wildlife habitat.

Bobcat are you trying to say that people who are not hunters don't care about wildlife habitat? Or was that just another one of your silly little side comments that has no credibility?