The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[Special T]

House Committee Passes 5 Bills To Amend The Endangered Species Act

http://Http://Www.protectamericansnow.org/House-Committee-Passes-5-Bills-Amend-Endangered-Species/

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[wolfbait]

House Committee Passes 5 Bills To Amend The Endangered Species Act

http://Http://Www.protectamericansnow.org/House-Committee-Passes-5-Bills-Amend-Endangered-Species/

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http://www.protectamericansnow.org/House-Committee-Passes-5-Bills-Amend-Endangered-Species/


Fixed it, sorry for the delay........ 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Really, that's what you read into this conversation WAcoyote, we're all about killing panda bears and peregrine falcons? This thread isn't about opposing the saving or protection of endangered species. This discussion is about how extreme greenies use it to forward extreme greenie agendas. Wolves need management and the game departments of WY, ID, and MT have decided on management plans. Greenies are using the ESA to oppose them because they don't want any killed under any circumstances. Do you agree with them or do you agree with the game departments who are experiencing wolf problems?

On the flip side of the extremist environmentalists you have people like Wolf Bait who think the number of wolves in the lower 48 should be zero. They make up scare stories to try to win people over to their side of the argument.  Remember the hydatid scare? Supposedly these big bad tapeworms were going to be the scourge of any area that had a couple wolves in spite of the fact that any canine including dogs and 10s of thousands of coyotes were already part of the life cycle of tapeworms. Kids were going to be eaten waiting for their school buses. "Predator pits" were going to evaporate the game populations in any state with wolves . 

No, it's not just the extreme envios that are more than willing to make up stories and spread them to try to garner support for their side.

I'd be the first one to say if you want to have balance that all animals need to be managed. I also believe that people should be able to protect their animals and families and other property. By taking that option away, the authorities have fed the frustration and fired up the opposition to predators.  Wolves aren't dumb animals, if they get shot at they will learn fear of men and learn where they are not wanted.  And it would cost a hell of a lot less money than mobilizing a helicopter team to officially go after them.  I'll even go so far as to say that the Feds go too far when it comes to not recognizing when a population no longer needs protection and needs to be managed. I have seen it with marine mammal protection first hand.  I know they have no idea how many sea otters, seals and sea lions exist in the gulf of Alaska because they don't bother counting them any more. And when humans can't use facilities they build like the east mooring basin in Astoria because sea lions or seals have taken over and they are protected, then there is a real problem with management. And not addressing it only creates frustration, anger and resentment.  Things like allowing voters to vote out perfectly good management tools such as trapping and hunting with dogs also creates huge problems and all that adds up to mistrust by certain user groups for anything new.

But you'll never convince me that a couple hundred wolves will be the end of wildlife and hunting in this state. There are way more important issues facing hunters than a few wolves. The biggest being access.

[wolfbait]

EPA chief issues new directive to end abusive ‘sue and settle’ deals


http://freerangereport.com/index.php/2017/10/17/epa-chief-issues-new-directive-to-end-abusive-sue-and-settle-deals/

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Era of federal ‘sue and settle’ deals is over, and the greens are freaked

http://freerangereport.com/index.php/2017/12/13/era-of-federal-sue-and-settle-deals-is-over-and-the-greens-are-freaked/

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Trump Appoints Endangered Species Foe to Oversee Protection of America's Most Imperiled Wildlife   


http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2018/susan-combs-03-30-2018.php


"More than 70 conservation organizations (Fake environmental groups) sent a letter to the Senate opposing her nomination."
         

[bigtex]

Trump Appoints Endangered Species Foe to Oversee Protection of America's Most Imperiled Wildlife   


http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_releases/2018/susan-combs-03-30-2018.php


"More than 70 conservation organizations (Fake environmental groups) sent a letter to the Senate opposing her nomination."
       

She was appointed to an acting position since the Senate failed to confirm her appointment to the position she was appointed for in 2017.

[wolfbait]

New Heritage Foundation report highlights failures of Endangered Species Act

http://www.cfact.org/2018/05/22/new-heritage-foundation-report-highlights-failures-of-endangered-species-act/

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Endangered species funding benefits bureaucrats, but animals, not so much

http://www.freerangereport.com/index.php/2018/06/16/endangered-species-funding-benefits-bureaucrats-but-animals-not-so-much/

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Congress is overhauling a law that sacrifices Americans’ livelihoods for endangered animals

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/07/07/congress-is-overhauling-a-law-that-sacrifices-americans-livelihoods-for-endangered-animals-651955?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=BPR%20Email&utm_campaign=DMS

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Trump Endangered Species revisions a step in the right direction

http://www.freerangereport.com/index.php/2018/09/05/trump-endangered-species-revisions-a-step-in-the-right-direction/



Wildlife has little to show for staggering cost of Endangered Species Act

http://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/402912-wildlife-has-little-to-show-for-staggering-cost-of-endangered

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Interior’s Sue and Settle Order Exposes Secret Settlements with Activists

https://www.fb.org/newsroom/interiors-sue-and-settle-order-exposes-secret-settlements-with-activists?utm_source=Farm+Bureau+Executive+Newswatch%2FAgri-Pulse+Daily+Harvest&utm_campaign=46c9435987-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_09_17_08_44&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1f2ef2d487-46c9435987-48753937

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Arizona Lawmaker Calls For Investigation Of USFWS, Center For Biological Diversity

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2016/12/23/arizona-lawmaker-calls-for-investigation-of-usfws-center-for-biological-diversity/

[bearpaw]

Really, that's what you read into this conversation WAcoyote, we're all about killing panda bears and peregrine falcons? This thread isn't about opposing the saving or protection of endangered species. This discussion is about how extreme greenies use it to forward extreme greenie agendas. Wolves need management and the game departments of WY, ID, and MT have decided on management plans. Greenies are using the ESA to oppose them because they don't want any killed under any circumstances. Do you agree with them or do you agree with the game departments who are experiencing wolf problems?

On the flip side of the extremist environmentalists you have people like Wolf Bait who think the number of wolves in the lower 48 should be zero. They make up scare stories to try to win people over to their side of the argument.  Remember the hydatid scare? Supposedly these big bad tapeworms were going to be the scourge of any area that had a couple wolves in spite of the fact that any canine including dogs and 10s of thousands of coyotes were already part of the life cycle of tapeworms. Kids were going to be eaten waiting for their school buses. "Predator pits" were going to evaporate the game populations in any state with wolves . 

No, it's not just the extreme envios that are more than willing to make up stories and spread them to try to garner support for their side.

I'd be the first one to say if you want to have balance that all animals need to be managed. I also believe that people should be able to protect their animals and families and other property. By taking that option away, the authorities have fed the frustration and fired up the opposition to predators.  Wolves aren't dumb animals, if they get shot at they will learn fear of men and learn where they are not wanted.  And it would cost a hell of a lot less money than mobilizing a helicopter team to officially go after them.  I'll even go so far as to say that the Feds go too far when it comes to not recognizing when a population no longer needs protection and needs to be managed. I have seen it with marine mammal protection first hand.  I know they have no idea how many sea otters, seals and sea lions exist in the gulf of Alaska because they don't bother counting them any more. And when humans can't use facilities they build like the east mooring basin in Astoria because sea lions or seals have taken over and they are protected, then there is a real problem with management. And not addressing it only creates frustration, anger and resentment.  Things like allowing voters to vote out perfectly good management tools such as trapping and hunting with dogs also creates huge problems and all that adds up to mistrust by certain user groups for anything new.

But you'll never convince me that a couple hundred wolves will be the end of wildlife and hunting in this state. There are way more important issues facing hunters than a few wolves. The biggest being access.

You make a personal attack on wolfbait and accuse him of making up stories. If I remember correctly wolfbait had links to news stories to back up his hydatid stories, some other states which are no longer protecting wolves are finally warning people to be careful handling wolves. Your hot air accusations denying any dangers exist are patently false. Please post up your evidence that wolfbait was making up the stories regarding hydatid disease. Your comments regarding these worms expose your significant lack of knowledge of the issue and this info from the state of Idaho indicates you are the one telling stories. Yes, I am calling a spade a spade!


Stae of Idaho
https://idfg.idaho.gov/conservation/wildlife-health/hydatid-disease

About Hydatid Disease
Hydatids are the immature form of a tapeworm called Echinococcus granulosus. Echinococcus granulosus is a very small (3-5 m) tapeworm that requires two different animal species, a canid and an ungulate, to complete its lifecycle.
Commonly Affected Species:
Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
Coyote (Canis latrans)
Elk (Cervus canadensis)
White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus)
Moose (Alces americanus)
Mountain Goat (Oreamnos americanus)
Mule Deer (Odocoileus hemionus)

Signs Of Disease
The adult tapeworm occurs in the intestines of wolves, coyotes and foxes but they are generally asymptomatic. The larval form or hydatid cyst occurs in moose, elk and deer, and can occur in humans. In moose, deer, and elk, the cysts have thick walls and are filled with a clear watery liquid. The cysts are usually found in the lungs but can also occur in the liver or other organs. Cysts can vary in size from ľ to 4 inches in diameter and contain hundreds of juvenile tapeworms. The presence of hydatids in herbivores usually does not cause clinical signs unless the cyst obstructs normal body function. If cysts rupture, illness can be severe.

Where is Disease Found?
Hydatid disease is found around the world including North America where it exists in two forms – a domestic form involving domestic dogs and domestic sheep and a sylvatic form involving wolves or coyotes and ungulates. The most common form of E. granulosus is found in domestic dogs and sheep, and is found worldwide, including the western USA. The form in domestic dogs and domestic sheep is the most common source of the disease in humans. There are numerous strains of E .granulosus worldwide that occur in various host species systems e. g. wolves and wild ungulates in temperate North America, dingos and kangaroos in Australia, and jackels and domestic cattle in Africa. Hydatid cysts have been found in cattle and domestic sheep, deer, elk,. moose and mountain goats in Idaho. Adult tapeworms have been found in wolves and coyotes in Idaho.

How Can I Protect Myself?
Humans can be infected from inadvertently consuming tapeworm eggs found in the droppings of wolves, coyotes, foxes, and dogs. Wear gloves and do not eat, drink or smoke when handling scat from wolves, coyotes or foxes. Contact with or consumption of the hydatid cysts in the lungs or liver of moose, deer, and elk, deer or elk does not result in human infections, but can be a source of infection to domestic dogs. Do not allow domestic dogs or cats to feed on dead wild ruminants or feed them trimmings or offal from wild ruminants. If pets are infected, they can harbor adult tapeworms, which could shed the eggs in the home environment and be a source of infection to humans. Keep dog kennels clean and dispose of dog feces properly to minimize human exposure to parasite eggs. Practice good hygiene- washing hands and washing contaminated clothes, especially after handling animals or feces.

Samples to Collect
The adult tapeworms from the small intestine of infected wolves and coyotes can be collected for identification. Samples of intestinal contents should be refrigerated or preserved in 10% alcohol. The eggs of most tapeworms are indistinguishable on fecal flotation. The hydatids in lungs or liver of ungulates can be identified grossly and histologically. Hydatids can be collected whole and refrigerated or placed in 10% formalin but not frozen. Samples can be delivered a conservation officer or an Idaho Department of Fish and Game Regional Office.

Can I Eat The Meat?
Meat from infected animals is suitable for human consumption. Trim and discard the affected tissues. Tissues or organs containing cysts should be disposed of in a manner to avoid consumption by domestic or wild canids. Do not feed carcass parts containing hydatid cysts, to pet dogs or cats.
What is IDFG doing to help manage this disease?:
Since 1998, IDFG has conducted disease surveillance in wildlife including ungulates and wolves. No evidence of this tapeworm, eggs, or larva was discovered until 2006

In 2006, hydatid cysts were found in the lungs of a mountain goat from Atlanta, ID. The adult tapeworm was also first found in the intestines of wolves in 2006

From 2006 to the present, hydatid cysts have been found in the lungs of numerous deer and elk from central Idaho; and a little over half (62%) of wolves tested were infected with the tapeworm

Currently IDFG is doing the following:

Continuing its surveillance and investigations of this parasite
Providing public education about this parasite
How do I learn more about this disease?
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/wildlife/manage_issues/echinococcus.cfm
http://rliv.com/wolf/Echinococcus%20granulosus%20brought%20in%20by%20wolves.pdf
http://www.dpd.cdc.gov/dpdx/html/Echinococcosis.htm
http://www.avma.org/public_health/zoonotic_risks/hunters_precautions.asp
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12150_12220-117400--,00.html
http://www.wildlifenews.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=wildlife_news.view_article&...
http://www.stanford.edu/group/parasites/ParaSites2006/Echinococcus/main.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydatid_disease

[bearpaw]

Really, that's what you read into this conversation WAcoyote, we're all about killing panda bears and peregrine falcons? This thread isn't about opposing the saving or protection of endangered species. This discussion is about how extreme greenies use it to forward extreme greenie agendas. Wolves need management and the game departments of WY, ID, and MT have decided on management plans. Greenies are using the ESA to oppose them because they don't want any killed under any circumstances. Do you agree with them or do you agree with the game departments who are experiencing wolf problems?

On the flip side of the extremist environmentalists you have people like Wolf Bait who think the number of wolves in the lower 48 should be zero. They make up scare stories to try to win people over to their side of the argument.  Remember the hydatid scare? Supposedly these big bad tapeworms were going to be the scourge of any area that had a couple wolves in spite of the fact that any canine including dogs and 10s of thousands of coyotes were already part of the life cycle of tapeworms. Kids were going to be eaten waiting for their school buses. "Predator pits" were going to evaporate the game populations in any state with wolves . 

No, it's not just the extreme envios that are more than willing to make up stories and spread them to try to garner support for their side.

I'd be the first one to say if you want to have balance that all animals need to be managed. I also believe that people should be able to protect their animals and families and other property. By taking that option away, the authorities have fed the frustration and fired up the opposition to predators.  Wolves aren't dumb animals, if they get shot at they will learn fear of men and learn where they are not wanted.  And it would cost a hell of a lot less money than mobilizing a helicopter team to officially go after them.  I'll even go so far as to say that the Feds go too far when it comes to not recognizing when a population no longer needs protection and needs to be managed. I have seen it with marine mammal protection first hand.  I know they have no idea how many sea otters, seals and sea lions exist in the gulf of Alaska because they don't bother counting them any more. And when humans can't use facilities they build like the east mooring basin in Astoria because sea lions or seals have taken over and they are protected, then there is a real problem with management. And not addressing it only creates frustration, anger and resentment.  Things like allowing voters to vote out perfectly good management tools such as trapping and hunting with dogs also creates huge problems and all that adds up to mistrust by certain user groups for anything new.

But you'll never convince me that a couple hundred wolves will be the end of wildlife and hunting in this state. There are way more important issues facing hunters than a few wolves. The biggest being access.

If a person reads the state of Idaho F&G info I posted you will learn that there was no record of wolf worms in Idaho until after wolves were planted by USFWS. I would say that's pretty compelling evidence, wolves in Idaho have 62% infection rate but the disease was unknown in Idaho until after wolves were planted. Yeah right, wolfbait is certainly the one telling stories about Hydatid Disease! 

Today you can hunt 5 wolves and trap 5 wolves per year in Idaho. We can use leg hold traps or snares. Still it is a balancing act to try and bring elk back into the areas where wolves decimated them in Idaho. The impacted areas are documented by IDFG, I will gladly provide links to that IDFG info if you want to call me a story teller too?