The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[konradcountry]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

[bigtex]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

[Bob33]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

[bigtex]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

I'm not saying that wolves should be listed under the ESA. But KC's post essentially boiled down to wolves shouldn't be protected in the US because there's lots of them in Canada.

[Bob33]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

I'm not saying that wolves should be listed under the ESA. But KC's post essentially boiled down to wolves shouldn't be protected in the US because there's lots of them in Canada.

[konradcountry]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

I'm not saying that wolves should be listed under the ESA. But KC's post essentially boiled down to wolves shouldn't be protected in the US because there's lots of them in Canada.

No my post boils down to the point that the environmental lobby deceives the public into believing that an endangered species is one that is endangered of becoming extinct. I didn't share my own opinion on whether or not there should be protections.

I guarantee that there would be far more support for wolf hunting in Idaho if the environmental lobby described their efforts as bringing the wolf back to Idaho even though it isn't at risk of becoming extinct due to the fact that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

I actually support some protection for wolves in the US and Idaho. I don't think they should be called endangered because there isn't an Idaho subspecies. The wolves they brought in were from Canada.

[wolfbait]

Trump cuts regulations between western states and water supply: ‘I hope you’ll enjoy the water you’ll have’     

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/21/trump-cuts-regulations-between-western-states-and-water-supply-i-hope-youll-enjoy-the-water-youll-have-685578?utm_source=Push%20Notifications&utm_medium=BPR

[Sitka_Blacktail]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

I'm not saying that wolves should be listed under the ESA. But KC's post essentially boiled down to wolves shouldn't be protected in the US because there's lots of them in Canada.

According to this, (https://www.registrelep-sararegistry.gc.ca/virtual_sara/files/plans/rs%5Fcaribou%5Fboreal%5Fcaribou%5F0912%5Fe1%2Epdf) there are 34,000 woodland caribou in Canada It also states that 300 are needed to sustain a local population so without an influx, the Selkirk herd is probably doomed. By the reasoning that because there are plenty of wolves in Canada, there doesn't need to be wolves in the lower 48, there apparently doesn't need to be woodland caribou either.

"Based on the best available information, the current overall number of boreal caribou in Canada
is estimated to be approximately 34,000 individuals (Environment Canada, 2011b). This number
is based on mean local population size estimates as provided by the provincial and territorial
jurisdictions. (Environment Canada, 2011b)."

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Trump cuts regulations between western states and water supply: ‘I hope you’ll enjoy the water you’ll have’     

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/10/21/trump-cuts-regulations-between-western-states-and-water-supply-i-hope-youll-enjoy-the-water-youll-have-685578?utm_source=Push%20Notifications&utm_medium=BPR

So this is what you want for the Northwest?  Maybe you'd like to pump Northwest water to California to help out? Do you care if more water is used by industry at the cost to salmon and other fish? What if it means less water for farmers?

[Special T]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

I'm not saying that wolves should be listed under the ESA. But KC's post essentially boiled down to wolves shouldn't be protected in the US because there's lots of them in Canada.

A large part of my issue with Wolves and the ESA Per say is the fact that Sub species  are protected in many other animals like the woodland caribou. The argument that wolves from the Mackezie valley are the same kind as were down here is ignored.  If the subspecies argument is ignored on wolves and at the same time hyped, IE mexican Red/grey wolves then im more inclined to say the ESA is a scam.

[wolfbait]

Victory: Activists’ effort to worsen overcriminalization ends with a whimper

https://pacificlegal.org/victory-activists-effort-to-worsen-overcriminalization-ends-with-a-whimper/?fbclid=IwAR3ioVCy6fYFzCVxj-feyiB5Imx1xTfQwcvEzJ2dzjTY9h5hHg26JlLxmj8

[bigtex]

Victory: Activists’ effort to worsen overcriminalization ends with a whimper

https://pacificlegal.org/victory-activists-effort-to-worsen-overcriminalization-ends-with-a-whimper/?fbclid=IwAR3ioVCy6fYFzCVxj-feyiB5Imx1xTfQwcvEzJ2dzjTY9h5hHg26JlLxmj8

This puts the Clinton Era McKittrick Policy back into effect. Note that the 9th Circuit didn't say McKittrick was legal/illegal, it just say the group that sued DOJ over it didn't have legal standing.

I posted about the McKittrick Policy last year and many on here were actually against it. Under McKittrick the government has to prove you knew what you shot. So if you shot a woodland caribou and you told officers "oh I thought it was an elk" unless the government can prove otherwise (texts, statements to others, etc.) you cant be prosecuted under the federal ESA. It simply created an "out" and for those "in the know" all they had to do was lie. In this example the government would have to prove you knew what you shot was a caribou. So if you see a bunch of wolves and know they are wolves and decide to pull the trigger but tell officials you thought they were coyotes you can't be prosecuted.

State endangered species laws do not have a "knowingly" aspect and simply have to prove you killed the species.

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,214888.0.html

[Skyvalhunter]

Interesting

[konradcountry]

The Green Scam is telling people that the wolf is endangered but not mentioning that there are 60 thousand of them in Canada.

Of course environmentalists will respond that *their* definition of endangered includes the location. But they won't mention this to the public and will make it sound like the last wolf pack is in Idaho.

I don't think the majority of the public thought the last wolf pack in the world or N. America was in Idaho. The ESA is America's law it doesn't matter if the species is doing well in other countries.

A lot of guys on here care about the Selkirk Caribou, should they not be protected under the ESA because hey there's a lot of caribou in Alaska and Canada?

The Selkirk caribou are Woodland caribou. There are 27 in existence. Quite a differences from wolves of which there are easily ten times more than that in Washington state alone.

I'm not saying that wolves should be listed under the ESA. But KC's post essentially boiled down to wolves shouldn't be protected in the US because there's lots of them in Canada.

According to this, (https://www.registrelep-sararegistry.gc.ca/virtual_sara/files/plans/rs%5Fcaribou%5Fboreal%5Fcaribou%5F0912%5Fe1%2Epdf) there are 34,000 woodland caribou in Canada It also states that 300 are needed to sustain a local population so without an influx, the Selkirk herd is probably doomed. By the reasoning that because there are plenty of wolves in Canada, there doesn't need to be wolves in the lower 48, there apparently doesn't need to be woodland caribou either.

You can argue for caribou or wolf protections in the US without making it sound like the species itself is threatened by extinction. This is what environmentalists have done and it is deceptive and dishonest.

But environmentalists know that it's much harder to argue against wolf hunting if the public knows that there are 60 thousand of them on the other side of the border.

[wolfbait]

LANDOWNERS HAIL PROPERTY RIGHTS VICTORY AT SUPREME COURT IN FROG HABITAT DISPUTE

https://dailycaller.com/2018/11/27/supreme-court-dusky-gopher-frog/?utm_medium=email