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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #75 on: April 04, 2014, 06:21:01 AM »
I'd be happy with just killing one of those animals in my life time.

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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #76 on: April 04, 2014, 07:29:12 AM »
I'd be happy with just killing one of those animals in my life time.
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #77 on: April 06, 2014, 04:12:18 PM »
Coyote #2 wow these heads do damage  :tup:
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #78 on: April 06, 2014, 04:40:25 PM »
I know your eye sight is going, but maybe a hint will help you...the shoulder is located on the other end :chuckle:
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #79 on: April 06, 2014, 05:07:10 PM »
I know your eye sight is going, but maybe a hint will help you...the shoulder is located on the other end :chuckle:
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #80 on: April 06, 2014, 09:09:39 PM »
 :chuckle: nice job.  :tup:
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #81 on: April 10, 2014, 02:37:34 PM »
RAD - anxious for these to come out!  And thanks for trying to put together a special deal for Hunt WA members, that is awesome!  Now a question for you - in your opinion, what are the pros & cons of a vented blade versus a solid blade like the Vandyke version?  Thanks again for always being willing to share your knowledge! :tup:

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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #82 on: April 10, 2014, 02:48:30 PM »
Vented blades are lighter, look cool and sell better.  That's about where the benefits stop.
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #83 on: April 10, 2014, 02:56:30 PM »
Vented blades are lighter, look cool and sell better.  That's about where the benefits stop.

 :chuckle:  a heck of a lot noisier is what they are.

Kindly do not attempt to cloud the issue with too many facts.

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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #84 on: April 10, 2014, 05:59:26 PM »
Most 3 and 4 blade broadheads were very large and heavy until Savora started using specialty razor blades.  They still remained very large, but now with the aluminum ferrules and thin blades they were lightweight.  This caused all kinds of FOC issues.  When Maleski jumped on the specialty razor train his locking system required a vent.  Bowhunters started realizing that the WASP Cam-Lok was much easier to get to fly well and with the help of some moron writers they contributed it to the vented blades not the 30% reduction in overall blade length.  To make matters worse the timing of all this so happed to coincide with the wide spread use of plastic vanes making FOC issues even worse.

By the time Savora changed blade length to the Swept-Wing, vented blades were starting to show up nearly everywhere.  And while the Swept-Wing became the industry leader in sales volumes the competition and still some writers were pushing the belief that vented blades were easier to tune disregarding that the smaller WASP and most of the vented competition were still much heavier.

Over time the repetition of published articles and fancy verbiage in advertisements started imprinting on consumers minds.  So when a guy had some poor flight with a solid blade broadhead it was a thought free reaction to simply blame the solid blades.  On the other hand if a guy were to have difficulties getting his vented blades to fly well the thought free reaction was to blame the arrow, the rest, or both.  Soon the NAP Razorbak4, the Savora Swept-Wing and the Satellite Aero would fall victim to this effective imprinting.  Leading the way for WASP, Rocky Mountain and the NAP Thunderhead to take the popular lead and further progress the assumption that vented blades flew better.

Then to even further the decay of factual based decisions about blade configuration the compound bow began making leaps and bounds improvements in function and efficiency.  With this came our "Need For Speed!"  Soon bow and arrow combinations were breaking the impossible 200 AMO barrier!  The popular 2016, 2018, 2117, 2216 and 2219 arrows were being replaced with "Super-Lite" 2013, 2114, 2213 and 2413 shafts.  Everything needed to be light weight and that included points, inserts, vanes.  7% FOC was considered a perfect goal when making a perfect hunting arrow.  Even target shooters were abandoning the 9% Nibb and switching to the 7%.

Writers began pushing even harder and advertisers began imprinting even more effectively when the large broadheads attached to these Super-Lites just couldn't handle the blistering 225 - 235 fps speeds we were getting from our over draw bows and light arrows.  The modern broadhead started getting smaller and vent holes started getting larger!  Broadhead tuning started getting a little easier and so the imprinting led us to more thought free conclusions that solid blades were evil and vented blades only flew poor because of "Tuning Issues".  The imprinting during this time even led some to believe that rolling the windows down in your car could increase your gas mileage and improve it's aerodynamics :chuckle:
« Last Edit: July 03, 2015, 04:25:50 AM by RadSav »
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2014, 12:32:26 AM »
If a broadhead were to be made that used extremely thick blades with a high profile and was mounted on a super slim diameter very light weight shaft there could be an advantage to venting a blade.  Not really because of the vent, but because the majority of the heads mass weight would be located closer to the axis of the shaft.  This in turn would require less force/energy to get that broadhead tipped arrow rotating.  Whether or not that advantage would be seen in real world application is debatable as the vented blade has an increased amount of surface drag compare to an equivalent profile in a solid blade.  A lot would depend on the thickness of the steel, the shape of those vent holes and the manufacturing technique used to cut those vent holes.

Never is there ever an advantage to a vented blade in terminal ballistics.  As long as the profile, sharpness, hardness and thickness of the blades are identical the solid blade will always beyond scientific doubt perform more favorably than a vented option.  However, the key to quick kills is still upon the blade sharpness and it's ability to stay sharp throughout the penetration cycle.  Better to have a vented blade that is sharp and stays sharp than a dull or easily damaged solid blade. 

As with just about anything related to hunting equipment, compromise is often the optimal solution.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 02:01:32 AM by RadSav »
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #86 on: April 12, 2014, 09:50:37 PM »
 :bash: :chuckle:
I know your eye sight is going, but maybe a hint will help you...the shoulder is located on the other end :chuckle:
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #87 on: April 12, 2014, 09:56:08 PM »
Rad,
Good info on broadheads ol timer. I'm surprised at your age you can remember all that, LOL.
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #88 on: April 12, 2014, 10:06:39 PM »
Rad,
Good info on broadheads ol timer. I'm surprised at your age you can remember all that, LOL.

It's the "Where did I put my glasses, car keys and hunting license" that I have a hard time remembering. :chuckle: 

From about the age of eleven to the time I got married I remember like it was yesterday.  But, from what I am told, I haven't done anything right since I got married.  So I guess my mind doesn't store those memories in the "easy to retrieve" file locations. :rolleyes:
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Re: SAVORA Broadheads thanks RADSAV
« Reply #89 on: April 12, 2014, 10:20:59 PM »
 :chuckle: :yeah:
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