RAMPANT USE OF PESTICIDES

[t6]

In this case... its not the "envirowhackos" that are coming to these conclusions.  Just a matter of time before they jump on it though. 

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[bobcat]

DNR definitely wouldn't be the agency to do anything about herbicide use. It seems to me the WDFW should be able to do the studies necessary and follow through with restrictions on herbicide use if deemed necessary. But, seeing how they've ignored the issue all along, I won't hold my breath. I would expect that the Department of Ecology might have the capability of looking into the problem, if the WDFW refuses.


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[hughjorgan]

DNR definitely wouldn't be the agency to do anything about herbicide use. It seems to me the WDFW should be able to do the studies necessary and follow through with restrictions on herbicide use if deemed necessary. But, seeing how they've ignored the issue all along, I won't hold my breath. I would expect that the Department of Ecology might have the capability of looking into the problem, if the WDFW refuses.


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http://agr.wa.gov/Lawsrules/

[pianoman9701]

DNR definitely wouldn't be the agency to do anything about herbicide use. It seems to me the WDFW should be able to do the studies necessary and follow through with restrictions on herbicide use if deemed necessary. But, seeing how they've ignored the issue all along, I won't hold my breath. I would expect that the Department of Ecology might have the capability of looking into the problem, if the WDFW refuses.


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http://agr.wa.gov/Lawsrules/

When all of the state's politicians are receiving money from big timber, to whom will they listen? The Department of Ecology and the DFW are both staffed by officials appointed by those politicians. Reports which put big timber in a bad light are not going to be well received.

[elkoholic]

bbarnes, was that you I heard on Lar's yesterday?

[bobcat]

When all of the state's politicians are receiving money from big timber, to whom will they listen? The Department of Ecology and the DFW are both staffed by officials appointed by those politicians. Reports which put big timber in a bad light are not going to be well received.

Maybe Conservation Northwest would be interested in taking this on? 


Or, how about the Sierra Club?

I assume the RMEF knows about the hoof rot issue. Have they provided funding for any studies, or helped in any way?

[pianoman9701]

I believe RMEF has put something like $18K into the research efforts. The money was originally turned down by the DFW a couple of years ago and they accepted it just this year.

[bbarnes]

Yes it was I've sent him lots of info,that I think he will be more shocked by,than my comments made yesterday.Also I have been in contact with Mark Holyoak from RMEF through out,this whole process.I suggest that everyone reading this give Ed Orcutt and Brian Blake a call,there the state reps that have been involved in this mess since 06.I also suggest following the money trail of the politicians in these districts,go to the PDC and ask where there campaign funds came from.You will soon see why nothing being done on a local level,also call the congress woman Jamie Herrera Butler.From county commissioners to legislators, senators and our congresswoman,they have all stood by pointing fingers at each other.The regulating agencies that were put in place to oversee this mess,all do the same.Who's in charge?no one knows until a lawyers called in,then everyone is ready to throw the next guy under the bus.Its going to get interesting,hopefully for the future of the hunting community, and generations to come,maybe they will do the right thing this time!Call these lawmakers ask them to get back to you with research and facts,don't let them direct you to other agencies.Isn't this what they get paid for with our tax dollars, don't let them forget it.

[bbarnes]

If you want to find out where politicians get campaign funds from go to FOLLOW THE MONEY .ORG.Type in your reps name in the right hand corner,and follow why these people won't do a thing.I'm wondering if a 1800 dollar contribution,is worth putting people in a health and safety risk.Not to mention wiping out the fish and wildlife,I hope these folks can sleep at night.Maybe when one of there family gets sick with cancer,or there hunting areas over run with sick limping elk,then things may change.

[bearpaw]

I believe RMEF has put something like $18K into the research efforts. The money was originally turned down by the DFW a couple of years ago and they accepted it just this year.

SCI chapters also invests a lot in wildlife, especially for certain issues. I think you should also talk to all the western Washington Chapters, Vancouver, Northwest, and Puget Sound.

[jackmaster]

What needs to happen is plaster this all over the web and media, especially the media, show them a video of what has happened and SHOW THEM THEIR LEGS AND HOOVES, nothing stronger than video proof, and just tell them straight up that herbasides and pesticides are the culprit

[bearpaw]

What needs to happen is plaster this all over the web and media, especially the media, show them a video of what has happened and SHOW THEM THEIR LEGS AND HOOVES, nothing stronger than video proof, and just tell them straight up that herbasides and pesticides are the culprit

You need to prove that first before you make that claim. 

[Bob33]

I'd like to first understand why this potential cause has not been considered.

I do not believe that RMEF would deliberately try to ignore a potential cause. I have a hard believing WDFW would either.

Let's hear it, WDFW: why not?

[bbarnes]

Call Mark Holyoak from RMEF he's has been in the loop from day one.His number is (406)523-4500 he's in the main office in Missoula Mt.Ask him what he knows about what's going on.There tied in with all these timber company's also.Then call WDFW and ask how many ELK they've killed out of the 43 had treponema?Then call the dairy farmers in Chehalis there trying to pin this on and ask them if there cows have it or hoof rot.

[pianoman9701]

I'd like to first understand why this potential cause has not been considered.

I do not believe that RMEF would deliberately try to ignore a potential cause. I have a hard believing WDFW would either.

Let's hear it, WDFW: why not?

Bob, I think they're ignoring it because the elected officials have told the appointed officials that Big Timber is off limits, plain and simple. I mentioned earlier that there were no samplings in 2010, 2011, and 2012, and this after the explosion in numbers of reports of affected animals. I personally have a really hard time believing that they stopped for 3 years. I don't think they did. I just believe that they got conclusive results which would've pointed to Big Timber as the cause. There's way too much money at stake in Olympia for that to happen.

The work the BBarnes has done on this is extensive and I believe he's on the right track.