Thumbs up to the Muks

[ICEMAN]

RG, sorry, but I am not inclined to give the muks credit. They are attempting to lay claim to a hunting heritage based upon showing "anthropological evidence" that they hunted there in the past, at the same time as they discredit the anthropological evidence that Kennewick man predated all tribes of this state. They argue that they were here first, therefore nobody that follows can have the same privilege.

They claim not to know why deer or elk herds are in decline? Really? We do not need a casino funded tribal biologist to come to his grand conclusion that mule deer are Indian property and that white man should stop hunting them so that they can be harvested by "natives" in sweat pants  and t-shirts, for ancient tribal ceremonies and so they can sell jerky on Craigs list; and enter antler competitions at sportsman shows.

Sorry, not going to give them credit for anything.

If I were king I would break these treaties and allow the tribes the privilege of competing for work, paying taxes, and standing in line with the rest of us, not going to the front. I surely will not give them any credit where it is not deserved.

[TheKid#10]

    Amen.

[Special T]

All those negative thing May be true. And Perhaps the Mucks  are not cleans as the wind driven snow.

That said In my estimation a real man owns up to his mistakes, and gives credit when & where its due. 

[elkfins]

I have been a critic of tribes and their hunting and fishing practices for years. I have twice recently come across tribal biologists from the Muckleshoot tribe while they were involved in mule deer surveys.  I spoke at length to their biologist this week and learned they are spending tens of thousands of dollars in a joint project with WDFW to study mule deer mortality in Washington. WDFW has no funding available to do the study so they stepped up and paid the bill and supplied the people and equipment.  The results have already provided a lot of valuable information that would not have come to light. 

I may not be a fan of tribal hunting and fishing practices in our state but I absolutely have to give them credit for their commitment to this effort which will benefit all mule deer hunters in Washington.

I think it is important to give credit where credit is due sometimes.

Considering how the muck's have opposed the Puget sound marked selective summer Chinook fishery in MA9 & 10, their "subsistence" commercial fishery of sockeye outside the locks, the maze of nets in the Duwamish every year, and pretty much their whole approach to hunting and fishing,  I have a hard time being anywhere happy about this.
What do you think they are going to want in "exchange" for their funding and work on this project?

As far as I'm concerned, the mucks can go to hell.

[boneaddict]

I like the idea of this thread, and giving them credit for them for doing something good, but lets face it.   They bought a free pass to annihilate what is left.   Do you think they are doing this for goodwill?   Really?   Your WDFW said basically go ahead and have free reighn on the animals you have to apply your whole life to hunt.   How many Mucks do you think historically came over here and hunted?

[CAMPMEAT]

The tribes do better than our WDFW because, they CAN, do something about something. Unlike our WDFW, that has to go through Conservation Northwest and all of the other liberals monies to get an OK to do anything about anything. I have never bitched about the tribal seasons, or anything else, because we weren't here when any treaty was signed.

Neither were they...

The ball is in their court and we know they won't attempt to change anything that's in their favor. And the corrupt gubmint is too chicken sh17 to do anything about anything.......

[stevemiller]

Wait, I hunted here before as well(every year for almost 30 years in WA.) does that meen that now I have the RIGHTS to hunt anywhere anytime in WA. State?

[chinookie23]

Is it hair loss, predators, poaching, low pregnancy rates ...... nobody knows hence the study.

Nobody knows huh? How convenient that you left out the slaughter of mature bucks after December 1st!

were talking about the muckleshoots here NOT the yakamas. the mucks have tags and all animals are accounted for.

RG, sorry, but I am not inclined to give the muks credit. They are attempting to lay claim to a hunting heritage based upon showing "anthropological evidence" that they hunted there in the past, at the same time as they discredit the anthropological evidence that Kennewick man predated all tribes of this state. They argue that they were here first, therefore nobody that follows can have the same privilege.

They claim not to know why deer or elk herds are in decline? Really? We do not need a casino funded tribal biologist to come to his grand conclusion that mule deer are Indian property and that white man should stop hunting them so that they can be harvested by "natives" in sweat pants  and t-shirts, for ancient tribal ceremonies and so they can sell jerky on Craigs list; and enter antler competitions at sportsman shows.

Sorry, not going to give them credit for anything.

If I were king I would break these treaties and allow the tribes the privilege of competing for work, paying taxes, and standing in line with the rest of us, not going to the front. I surely will not give them any credit where it is not deserved.

muckleshoot also does not allow the sale of game animals or their parts of animals. I also know one of them that just mailed his check off to the IRS for the taxes he owes.

Bottom line is muckleshoot does manage the herds that they hunt on. more so than WDFW and they pay for studies and do other things to try and help the herds rebound. not harvesting does and cows where the herds cannot handle it is just 1 example another is limiting the amount of animals thier hunters can harvest. they dont have 1 guy killing 10-20 bull elk or deer......

[RG]

My original point is I've been a critic of tribal hunting and fishing practices but the Muks don't have to spend their money, manpower, and equipment to help WDFW with this. They are doing it and I appreciate that point. The research will benefit us all. The hunting and fishing, like wolves in Washington, are a fact of life for the foreseeable future and we should work together on those issues. I choose to see there is some good in it too. Im that way about things, everything isn't always just doom and gloom, sometimes the sun shines where I live.

[bigtex]

they dont have 1 guy killing 10-20 bull elk or deer......

I don't think Bruce Richards who has been the WDFW Officer in Enumclaw for over 40 years would agree with you....

[chinookie23]

LMFAO Bruce Richards. He has been chasing the muckleshoots his whole career. Time for him to retire now and let the younger guys take over  maybe they can catch them...... kool dude though.

[lewy]

  I'm sure he has had a frustrating career trying to do his job with his hands tied behind his back. Like I said earlier, any good the smucks are "doing" is far out weighed by the bad, esp. in the units hunted by numerous tribes basically unregulated. This is the same old dead horse, but ill beat it

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

The Muks have the resources to help fish and wildlife. From what I have seen with my own two eyes with what some of the Muks do. I wouldn't hold my breath.....