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Quote from: logger on April 26, 2014, 08:36:02 AMhump, I have a question because I don't know all the ins and outs, but when it comes time to harvest and they pay the timber tax I was under the assumption that was to make up the difference in the lower tax rate. Am I on the wrong track?The 5% state excise tax that is levied on the value of logs at harvest is not to compensate for a low PROPERTY tax, it is for the value of the Timber that has been on that property without any tax for the time it was growing. When homeowners pay property taxes a county places value of your land AND then has a separate value for your house or other improvement , but you have to pay on the value of BOTH every year. Trees are treated differently.Because timber takes so long to grow, and can have a really high value, for tax purposes they have separated the trees from the land. What we've been discussing for changing only affects the land value, not the trees no matter what their value may be. If you never log, you never pay any tax on the trees no matter their value.
hump, I have a question because I don't know all the ins and outs, but when it comes time to harvest and they pay the timber tax I was under the assumption that was to make up the difference in the lower tax rate. Am I on the wrong track?
Quote from: fireweed on April 26, 2014, 07:58:48 PMQuote from: cboom on April 26, 2014, 12:24:09 PMQuote from: Humptulips on April 26, 2014, 08:08:50 AMQuote from: longwalker on April 26, 2014, 06:11:36 AMQuote from: skidynastar33 on April 25, 2014, 10:48:36 PMI started this topic so we could come together and come up with some ideas to fight this and do something. I am amazed at how much you fellow hunters want to just argue and fight on here like it's doing any good? It amazes me even more how many of you are fine with just bending over and taking it over and over again. How bout next year the price goes to 500$, then $1000. When will it stop?? The answer is when you want it to stop. All you got to do is do something about it. If hunters were more united we could get a lot more productive things done to improve our chances. Thank you fireweed and humptulips and a few others for actually giving ideas!!i would love it if the prices went up. just thin out the *censored* bags even more and give these company's more incentive to keep the tree farms instead of selling to tribes. the whole get angry at "big timber " sure sounds a lot like the enviro terrorist cry of death to "big oil" or the anarchist and 99%ers blood lust for "big industry" humptulips, funny how your first reaction to me parking in your yard was wanting to charge me a fee. i thought that was the evil of "big timber" and that right to manage your property how you see fit should be abolished. interestingYou don't get it do you? I didn't want to charge you for camping. The issue is paying twice. We are already paying for access to tree farms through a tax break and then they turn around and charge. So what do we get for the tax break now?I have the feeling you'll be perfectly happy to be the only hunter until the price gets to high or HSUS tries to outlaw hunting and then you'll wonder why nobody is around to help you stop them from taking away your right to hunt.We are not already paying for access through a tax break. You really need to spend some time understanding the tax laws before making statements like this. They are taxed at the rate they are because they have produced and follow a timber harvest plan. And this is all that is required of them to receive that tax rate.Timber plans aren't needed for large parcels and aren't stated anywhere in state law as the "reason" for the reduced tax rate. I think you might be thinking about two other classifications (open space-open space) and (open space-timberland). The open space timberland is for small (less than 20 acres) pieces and does in most counties need a plan. Open space-open space is for areas without logging and has what is called a weighted benefit system where you get so much (say 10%) reduction in taxable value for each public benefit on your land--public access can get you part of that reduction. So this idea of less taxes for public access is already being used in that category. 1. OPEN SPACE LAND MEANS EITHER a. any land area so designated by an official comprehensive land use plan adopted by any city or county and zoned accordingly, or b. any land area, the preservation of which in its present use would (i) conserve and enhance natural or scenic resources, or (ii) protect streams or water supply, or (iii) promote conservation of soils, wetlands, beaches or tidal marshes, or (iv) enhance the value to the public of abutting or neighboring parks, forests, wildlife preserves, nature reservations or sanctuaries or other open space, or (v) enhance recreation opportunities, or (vi) preserve historic sites, or (vii) preserve visual quality along highway, road, and street corridors or scenic vistas, or (viii) retain in its natural state tracts of land not less than one acre situated in an urban area and open to public use on such conditions as may be reasonably required by the legislative body granting the open space classification, or c. any land meeting the definition of farm and agricultural conservation land under subsection (8 ) of this section. As a condition of granting open space classification, the legislative body may not require public access on land classified under (b)(iii) of this subsection for the purpose of promoting conservation of wetlands.
Quote from: cboom on April 26, 2014, 12:24:09 PMQuote from: Humptulips on April 26, 2014, 08:08:50 AMQuote from: longwalker on April 26, 2014, 06:11:36 AMQuote from: skidynastar33 on April 25, 2014, 10:48:36 PMI started this topic so we could come together and come up with some ideas to fight this and do something. I am amazed at how much you fellow hunters want to just argue and fight on here like it's doing any good? It amazes me even more how many of you are fine with just bending over and taking it over and over again. How bout next year the price goes to 500$, then $1000. When will it stop?? The answer is when you want it to stop. All you got to do is do something about it. If hunters were more united we could get a lot more productive things done to improve our chances. Thank you fireweed and humptulips and a few others for actually giving ideas!!i would love it if the prices went up. just thin out the *censored* bags even more and give these company's more incentive to keep the tree farms instead of selling to tribes. the whole get angry at "big timber " sure sounds a lot like the enviro terrorist cry of death to "big oil" or the anarchist and 99%ers blood lust for "big industry" humptulips, funny how your first reaction to me parking in your yard was wanting to charge me a fee. i thought that was the evil of "big timber" and that right to manage your property how you see fit should be abolished. interestingYou don't get it do you? I didn't want to charge you for camping. The issue is paying twice. We are already paying for access to tree farms through a tax break and then they turn around and charge. So what do we get for the tax break now?I have the feeling you'll be perfectly happy to be the only hunter until the price gets to high or HSUS tries to outlaw hunting and then you'll wonder why nobody is around to help you stop them from taking away your right to hunt.We are not already paying for access through a tax break. You really need to spend some time understanding the tax laws before making statements like this. They are taxed at the rate they are because they have produced and follow a timber harvest plan. And this is all that is required of them to receive that tax rate.Timber plans aren't needed for large parcels and aren't stated anywhere in state law as the "reason" for the reduced tax rate. I think you might be thinking about two other classifications (open space-open space) and (open space-timberland). The open space timberland is for small (less than 20 acres) pieces and does in most counties need a plan. Open space-open space is for areas without logging and has what is called a weighted benefit system where you get so much (say 10%) reduction in taxable value for each public benefit on your land--public access can get you part of that reduction. So this idea of less taxes for public access is already being used in that category.
Quote from: Humptulips on April 26, 2014, 08:08:50 AMQuote from: longwalker on April 26, 2014, 06:11:36 AMQuote from: skidynastar33 on April 25, 2014, 10:48:36 PMI started this topic so we could come together and come up with some ideas to fight this and do something. I am amazed at how much you fellow hunters want to just argue and fight on here like it's doing any good? It amazes me even more how many of you are fine with just bending over and taking it over and over again. How bout next year the price goes to 500$, then $1000. When will it stop?? The answer is when you want it to stop. All you got to do is do something about it. If hunters were more united we could get a lot more productive things done to improve our chances. Thank you fireweed and humptulips and a few others for actually giving ideas!!i would love it if the prices went up. just thin out the *censored* bags even more and give these company's more incentive to keep the tree farms instead of selling to tribes. the whole get angry at "big timber " sure sounds a lot like the enviro terrorist cry of death to "big oil" or the anarchist and 99%ers blood lust for "big industry" humptulips, funny how your first reaction to me parking in your yard was wanting to charge me a fee. i thought that was the evil of "big timber" and that right to manage your property how you see fit should be abolished. interestingYou don't get it do you? I didn't want to charge you for camping. The issue is paying twice. We are already paying for access to tree farms through a tax break and then they turn around and charge. So what do we get for the tax break now?I have the feeling you'll be perfectly happy to be the only hunter until the price gets to high or HSUS tries to outlaw hunting and then you'll wonder why nobody is around to help you stop them from taking away your right to hunt.We are not already paying for access through a tax break. You really need to spend some time understanding the tax laws before making statements like this. They are taxed at the rate they are because they have produced and follow a timber harvest plan. And this is all that is required of them to receive that tax rate.
Quote from: longwalker on April 26, 2014, 06:11:36 AMQuote from: skidynastar33 on April 25, 2014, 10:48:36 PMI started this topic so we could come together and come up with some ideas to fight this and do something. I am amazed at how much you fellow hunters want to just argue and fight on here like it's doing any good? It amazes me even more how many of you are fine with just bending over and taking it over and over again. How bout next year the price goes to 500$, then $1000. When will it stop?? The answer is when you want it to stop. All you got to do is do something about it. If hunters were more united we could get a lot more productive things done to improve our chances. Thank you fireweed and humptulips and a few others for actually giving ideas!!i would love it if the prices went up. just thin out the *censored* bags even more and give these company's more incentive to keep the tree farms instead of selling to tribes. the whole get angry at "big timber " sure sounds a lot like the enviro terrorist cry of death to "big oil" or the anarchist and 99%ers blood lust for "big industry" humptulips, funny how your first reaction to me parking in your yard was wanting to charge me a fee. i thought that was the evil of "big timber" and that right to manage your property how you see fit should be abolished. interestingYou don't get it do you? I didn't want to charge you for camping. The issue is paying twice. We are already paying for access to tree farms through a tax break and then they turn around and charge. So what do we get for the tax break now?I have the feeling you'll be perfectly happy to be the only hunter until the price gets to high or HSUS tries to outlaw hunting and then you'll wonder why nobody is around to help you stop them from taking away your right to hunt.
Quote from: skidynastar33 on April 25, 2014, 10:48:36 PMI started this topic so we could come together and come up with some ideas to fight this and do something. I am amazed at how much you fellow hunters want to just argue and fight on here like it's doing any good? It amazes me even more how many of you are fine with just bending over and taking it over and over again. How bout next year the price goes to 500$, then $1000. When will it stop?? The answer is when you want it to stop. All you got to do is do something about it. If hunters were more united we could get a lot more productive things done to improve our chances. Thank you fireweed and humptulips and a few others for actually giving ideas!!i would love it if the prices went up. just thin out the *censored* bags even more and give these company's more incentive to keep the tree farms instead of selling to tribes. the whole get angry at "big timber " sure sounds a lot like the enviro terrorist cry of death to "big oil" or the anarchist and 99%ers blood lust for "big industry" humptulips, funny how your first reaction to me parking in your yard was wanting to charge me a fee. i thought that was the evil of "big timber" and that right to manage your property how you see fit should be abolished. interesting
I started this topic so we could come together and come up with some ideas to fight this and do something. I am amazed at how much you fellow hunters want to just argue and fight on here like it's doing any good? It amazes me even more how many of you are fine with just bending over and taking it over and over again. How bout next year the price goes to 500$, then $1000. When will it stop?? The answer is when you want it to stop. All you got to do is do something about it. If hunters were more united we could get a lot more productive things done to improve our chances. Thank you fireweed and humptulips and a few others for actually giving ideas!!
I see what you are driving at but that is only for classification of new applications for Forest Land. Leasing for access might cause a bump in the application process but if it is already classified as Forest Land it looks like it is not going to change the classificationFor sure any of the big timber companies are locked in because it says in(1) any land already classified as Forest land before 7/22/01 is granfathered in.
still waiting to see any sort of compelling argument as to how these tax laws correlate directly to allowing anybody in the world free reign to access there private property? so should just the people who live in the county where the tree farms have access? how about folks who rent in that county? they cant come in right? they dont pay property taxes. this sounds like you guys really got it all worked out on how to take property rights away from someone in just the "fairest" way possible. freakin commies...
Quote from: Humptulips on April 27, 2014, 01:34:08 PMI see what you are driving at but that is only for classification of new applications for Forest Land. Leasing for access might cause a bump in the application process but if it is already classified as Forest Land it looks like it is not going to change the classificationFor sure any of the big timber companies are locked in because it says in(1) any land already classified as Forest land before 7/22/01 is granfathered in.The way I see it was their "choice" to reclassify themselves by turning their property into a profit venture OUTSIDE the classification of timber lands. You said that they were grandfathered in....well you can't start changing the rules of classification AFTER THE FACT Once you change the term forest land to include XYZ you are going down a slippery slope, where does it stop? I would think it would need to be restructured for the use of the land, therefore a new application. I would be interested in what Weyerhauser has for the new natural gas findings they have....are they under "forest land" or would they have to reclassify after they are removing the gas?....and if so Why?? They would be grandfathered would they not, as forest land....what's the big deal, it comes from the forest right? Think of it this way.....I have a septic tank....I have always had a septic tank. Does that mean that I do not have to reapply for a new septic field by the county??? Why?? I have always had a tank, am I not grandfathered?.....or what if a city has sewer, they can force me to use that sewer if there is "reasonable access" and deny me a septic permit.....is this correct? Bowbuild
Quote from: longwalker on April 27, 2014, 06:08:24 PMstill waiting to see any sort of compelling argument as to how these tax laws correlate directly to allowing anybody in the world free reign to access there private property? so should just the people who live in the county where the tree farms have access? how about folks who rent in that county? they cant come in right? they dont pay property taxes. this sounds like you guys really got it all worked out on how to take property rights away from someone in just the "fairest" way possible. freakin commies...Hey ass wipe....I did not come on here and try to offend you, so how about you offer the same amount of respect! They can shut their damn gates and let no one in as far as I am concerned, and it will be idiots like you that will reap the benefits in the future....not!
The guy was called a commie, I think ass wipe was extremely nice.
Quote from: Elkric on April 27, 2014, 06:38:33 PMThe guy was called a commie, I think ass wipe was extremely nice.I believe that was a generalized statement. Not directed at anyone personally.sent from my typewriter
