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I'm talking the corporations not the small timber farms.Ive spent a lot of years trying to volunteer to clean up there lands,to keep them open.After there cleaned up at no cost to the owners,gates get shut and no access.In Idaho and Montana they leave dumpsters at the main line,so the community dirt bags will dump there,instead of the woods.Like I said don't buy there permits,elk eat there trees because they've NUKED everything else,and they will beg us to come in and hunt.People don't get the big greedy pitcher here,there only concerned with getting to kill stuff.We have power in numbers go out and camp for a couple years,don't buy a hunting license and the WDFW will get the message.They would loose about 60 million in revenue then you would have there attention.
Quote from: bbarnes on April 24, 2014, 10:51:37 PMI'm talking the corporations not the small timber farms.Ive spent a lot of years trying to volunteer to clean up there lands,to keep them open.After there cleaned up at no cost to the owners,gates get shut and no access.In Idaho and Montana they leave dumpsters at the main line,so the community dirt bags will dump there,instead of the woods.Like I said don't buy there permits,elk eat there trees because they've NUKED everything else,and they will beg us to come in and hunt.People don't get the big greedy pitcher here,there only concerned with getting to kill stuff.We have power in numbers go out and camp for a couple years,don't buy a hunting license and the WDFW will get the message.They would loose about 60 million in revenue then you would have there attention.Lets be realistic here Barnes, at the corporate level how disappointed is it for Weyerhaeuser to be faced with this hoof rot issue on their land?Stacking opposition against buying the passes isn't feasible, the passes will be bought out in a matter of days. I assume Green Diamond sold out in a matter of days too. Only Hancock is lagging behind right now since they've hit the threshold of cost surpassing opportunity and their new found 'competition' is offering a better deal on most counts.Rallying support to abruptly stop buying licenses from our fuehrer WDFW isn't going to work either. This is far from an united interest group. So lets exclude the torch burning and look at this like a bunch of capitalists, because lets face it, united or not, its the factor of how much hunters are really willing to spend that matters here.Since this is the internet, I'll focus on a possible negative outcome first, we'll call this the lost cause scenario.....The new widespread sale of land access for hunting would result in an accelerated decline in participation over the next 5-10 years. For hunters the costs greatly outweigh demand/desire and the suppliers reaction is to find alternative markets for their product instead of meeting the equilibrium for general hunters. Alternative markets, such as packaging their product in large scale leases for hunting guides and clubs, which would also open the door to anti-hunting groups interested in purchasing the leases(YES THIS HAS HAPPENED). Another alternative market is simply the loss prevention route. Private landowners using hired guns to control the populations and just writing it all off as a loss. Sound familiar? It should. WDFW, DNR, and NFS continue down the road they're already on by placing greater emphasis towards other interest groups that use their lands. Depressing sad, don your tinfoil horrible stuff here.Lets look at a possible positive. A net increase in competition for the hunters willing to buy access passes forces the market price on passes to lower while concurrently causing suppliers to sweeten the deal; such as increased camping opportunity, increasing the available access days, guaranteed access during periods of increased wildfire risk(bear and early archery elk/deer), improved hunting opportunity via better habitat management. etc. Competition amongst the private landowners forces the public land managers to keep up with the Jeffersons, and improve their own management policies. Hunters recognize how much influence their buying power has and realize they can collectively control the market and force public policy in their favor.Alright alright, I swear I'm sober, this could happen Access passes don't concern me so much, its the large scale leases serving the 1%, those freak me out. If we could kill that whole possibility with fire, I'd love to see it. Doing so would require a heavy dose of socialism, which freaks me out more...
I would disagree with your assertion that blacktails can't be as prolific as whitetails. If there is enough nutrition and a low number of predators, the blacktail populations will explode. Pretty sure that blacktails and whitetails almost always start with twins right after the rut. Then if nutrition is good enough, will carry the twins until born. There are places around Washington that are having deer problems because of how many blacktails there are. There are also places in E Washington that have whitetails and lots of predators and herds that only allow for the harvest of one buck. Those other states knocked back the predators a long time ago and generally have a lot of 'edible' agriculture (not giant stands of doug fir).
Sounds pretty radical. I suspect with required matching payroll taxes, B&O taxes, industrial insurance taxes, unemployment benefits taxes, fuel taxes, sales taxes, personal property (use) taxes, and real property taxes (open space), the timber companies are paying their fair share in this state. (and undoubtedly have paid significant tax dollars to use the roads). Not to mention the payrolls they fund for employees who pay taxes and spend lots of money every day to keep the economy going. Open space taxation is primarily intended to encourage people and business to keep properties in farm and timber use. Absent open space taxation, a lot of farms and timber grounds would be subdivisions or a lot of cabin parcels. That would cause a negative effect on consumers and "open space".
