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Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« on: June 09, 2014, 01:29:22 PM »
I think I have most of the ideas updated, I will look at the link provided by jackelope, please continue to comment on hunter retention:

YOUTH & NEW HUNTER RECRUITMENT & HUNTER RETENTION
These proposals have been compiled by a group of concerned hunters and hunter-ed instructors with the involvement by many members of an online hunting forum www.Hunting-Washington.com. It is understand that WDFW is already utilizing many programs but hunter recruitment and hunter retention continues to be problematic, to be the most effective at recruiting new hunters and retaining current hunters all possible options must be employed to reverse the trend of fewer and fewer licensed hunters.

How to get WDFW involved?
•   Encourage WDFW personnel to support the idea
•   Lobby key WDFW managers
•   Submit to the Parks & Recreation Task Force
•   Submit to the Wildlife Commission
•   Send letters/email to WDFW
•   Propose ideas through Regional Offices
•   Propose the ideas at GMAC meetings
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Identify the limiting factors for youth and new hunter recruitment and issues for retaining current hunters
•   Identify the issues that discourage new participants to hunting
•   Identify why hunters quit hunting in Washington
•   Query all hunter education instructors on what can be done to improve hunter education and recruitment of new hunters
•   At the completion of hunter ed classes, query students on what information could have been covered that would have helped them better prepare for their first hunt
•   After 6 and 12 months email/postcards to graduates with a link to online surveys to query what information could have been covered that would have helped them prepare better for their first hunt. Ask if they have purchased a hunting license. If not, why not?
•   Youth with parents who do not hunt
•   Lack of mentors
•   Limited availability of hunter-ed classes, most classes are full well in advance
•   Businesses are not allowed to teach Hunter-Education such as allowed for driver licensing and boating
•   Complexity and confusion of hunting regulations
•   Conflicting interests, particularly among youth
•   Societal shift in attitudes about hunting and firearms
•   Increasing costs of equipment and access
•   Urbanization
•   Unethical behavior of other hunters
•   Youth and adults may not know Hunter-Ed is available
•   Youth and adults may not know how to get started hunting
•   Limited access and availability of hunting land
•   Low harvest success, compounded by unrealistic expectations
•   The negative outlook of the “State of Hunting” portrayed to the public
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Steps to increase recruitment of youth and adult hunters, convert more hunter-ed grads to license buyers
•   Increase number of hunter ed instructors by at least 20% each year for 5 years
•   Increase availability of hunter ed classes by at least 20% each year for 5 years
•   Poll existing Hunter-Ed Instructors regarding their concerns, take steps to improve relationships with existing Instructors
•   There are many hunters and others who could serve as instructors, they need to be asked and treated properly
•   If not in existence, create and promote “Hunter-Ed Teaching Group Kits”, kit includes guidance videos, class videos, gun sets, paperwork, and other supplies to get new teaching groups started
•   Allow private business to teach hunting education and hunting skills classes, similar to driver licensing and boating
•   Encourage groups to have mentor programs to recruit new hunters
•   Foster relationships with hunting and conservation groups that encourage first time hunters to participate
•   WDFW should continue to grow the “Hunt by Reservation” Program
•   Expand on “Take a Kid Hunting”
•   Create a toll free “New Hunter Info Line” such as 800-NEW-HNTR
•   Provide class instruction on how to buy licenses, how to apply for permits and tips about areas with public land access
•   Create online videos on the WDFW website to teach new hunters basic hunting skills
•   Encourage and facilitate contests, especially youth contests, hunting and photo contests
•   Free small game license for youth up to age 17
•   Increase the age for reduced price youth licenses from 15 to 17
•   Free small game license to all hunter-ed graduates regardless of age
•   Free hunting licenses and a deer tag to graduates of Hunter Education training if they hunt the year they pass
•   Allow certified instructors to enter hunter ed information for graduates in the WILD system, so graduates may purchase licenses online immediately upon completion of a course
•   Increase the fee for Hunter-Ed (to encourage those wanting to hunt to participate, but will this be counter productive)
•   Offer benefits for taking youth hunting & fishing, not only to the youth, but to anyone taking them, this will encourage adults to take youth
•   Make hunting and fishing as easy and successful as you can for kids
•   Encourage private land owners to offer opportunities to youth and hunters who take a youth with them
•   Create more Upland Bird and Waterfowl hunting opportunities, especially for youth and new hunters
•   Work with groups to develop more upland bird raising and releasing to provide more hunting opportunity, especially for youth
•   A reduction in license fees for a parent/child combo that take Hunters Ed and then purchase their licenses together   
•   Increased bag limit when kids are included
•   Create doe days and cow days for kids, no permit needed, in areas throughout the state
•   Increase youth waterfowl hunting opportunities
•   More youth seasons in all areas of the state
•   More youth seasons around holidays when youth are out of school
•   More quality tags and special hunt opportunities for youth
•   Allow schools to offer hunter-ed training or provide info about hunter-ed classes that are available
•   Allow youth hunters to use a parents tag (like in Oregon)
•   Create first time hunter opportunities and incentives
•   Create Brochures to outline all youth and new hunter programs and incentives, distribute to groups and license vendors
•   Expand and include links to youth & new hunter opportunities and info on the WDFW “Go Hunt” web page http://apps.wdfw.wa.gov/gohunt/
•   Encourage more “Youth & New Hunter Info” on hunting forums and other outdoor forums
•   Send WDFW News Releases “especially hunter-ed, hunting, and fishing opportunities” to media outlets and post on forums so the info is more publicly available
•   Image (improve the image and importance of hunters as conservationists)
•   Promote and encourage more participation in complementary outdoor activities. Wildlife viewing, orienteering, and other outdoor activities
•   Emphasize that success in hunting is measured by more than harvest
•   Create realistic expectations among new hunters. Harvest success on big game is statistically low
•   Expand the “Hunting By Reservation” concept and prioritizing first-time-hunters during landowner agreement negotiations
•   Provide training in land access tools such as GoHunt, county assessor websites, and other resources
•   Ask select hunting related publications (Outdoor Life, Field and Stream, etc.) to provide free one year subscriptions to Hunter Education graduates
•   Offer a bonus drawing point for Hunter Education graduates that purchase a hunting license the year they pass
•   Offer a bonus drawing point for anyone participating in the Hunter Education Deferral Program provided they take Hunter Education training and buy a hunting license the next year
•   Offer lifetime hunting licenses with cost based on actuarial tables
•   Offer multi-season deer permits over the counter, at a reduced cost to youth and possibly first time hunters
•   Pursue partnerships with state, non-profits, and businesses to create a funding base to provide stipends to first-time-hunters for the purchase of licenses and gear for hunting
•   Develop an outreach program to non-hunters, there is recent evidence that a growing number of health conscious “locavores” are turning to hunting as a source of local, natural protein
•   Encourage better spokesmen in the hunting community. The messages sent by long-time hunters and leaders in the hunting community influence others’ perceptions
•   Take a closer look at overall hunter satisfaction and take more serious steps to improve hunter satisfaction for higher hunter retention
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Establish a Hunting-Skills Program to teach basic hunting skills to new hunters with no mentor to get them started hunting
•   Solicit input from hunter-ed instructors regarding establishment of a Hunting Skills Education Program
•   Solicit input from the public regarding establishment of a Hunting Skills Education Program
•   Expand the existing Hunter-Ed curriculum to include optional Hunting Skills curriculum/activities
•   Create a new program to teach new hunters basic hunting skills
•   Create partnerships with hunting groups and allow certified businesses to teach hunting skills
•   Seek Master Hunters as volunteers to teach
•   Include training of WA hunting regulations and hunting skills during hunter education
•   Offer additional levels of Hunting Skill Education for an additional fee
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How to fund additional Hunter-Education
•   Encourage and facilitate businesses and sporting groups to certify and offer Hunter-Ed and Hunting Skills training
•   Charge a fee to participate in Hunter Ed
•   Increase the cost of hunter education training, but credit the cost toward hunting licenses if purchased within 60 days
•   Pittman/Robertson funds?
•   Provide a donation opportunity for hunter-ed when purchasing licenses
•   Increase all hunting licenses and tags by $1 with increases dedicated to Hunter-Ed
•   Apply for grant money to fund more hunter education
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Steps to help retain current hunters
•   Improve access to hunting lands
•   Prevent cost increases to hunt, reduce costs where possible
•   Offer 3-year license purchase, that will help retain a hunter for 3 years
•   Offer lifetime licenses, that will help retain a hunter for life
•   Restructure elk management, many hunters hate hunting spike bull elk every year
•   Offer a "Sportsman's Package" where you get everything possible at a reduced rate
•   Simplifying hunting regulations to encourage a hunter to want to buy a license next year
•   Offer a better cost:benefit value ratio that is higher than other state options
•   Increase herd numbers which will allow improve hunt quality, allow longer seasons, and will retain hunters
•   Flexible seasons could let people choose when to have their family hunting camp (set your date range when you buy your tags)
•   A "Family Maximum Cost" package could help, set it at $600, they'd sell thousands, plus kids will be involved that may have not been taken hunting
•   Costs go up and opportunity goes down, reverse that trend
•   Communicate honestly about controversial issues with hunters to improve hunter attitudes and retain more hunters
•   The crux is that the F&G agencies need to do a better job, and in many areas
•   Reduce the opportunity for bad experiences, they cause hunters to quit, less opportunity, poor success, bad contacts with a warden or sheriff or land owner, buying the wrong tag due to confusion
•   More verbal or written warnings without a citation by wardens for minor offenses without intent to commit a crime
•   Police pull drivers over for a tail light bulb (or some other small infraction) and give a warning, the same cannot be said regarding encounters with some WDFW officers
•   WDFW can retain more hunters by supporting hunters more
•   Expand predator seasons, cougar should be year round, more Spring bear hunts
•   More advanced hunter classes - maybe survival, conditioning, tracking basics, give incentives to take the classes
•   The big three....access, opportunity, and cost. With the lack of access, high priced fuel & licenses, increase in predators,
hunters eventually give up
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2014, 01:43:17 PM »
This is where I need the most input:

Steps to help retain current hunters
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 01:51:59 PM »
I'm not in the best position to comment since I'm 30, but I have to imagine access is a key issue.  Thinking back, it got harder and harder for my grandfather to hunt.  In the world of locked gates, leases, etc., it would be even harder for him to access decent hunting.  He simply couldn't hike for miles or up mountains for the last years of his hunting career.   

I'm sure cost is a factor.  Hopefully others have more info than I do.

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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 01:52:52 PM »
I've said it before, and I still feel that a small fee for hunters ed would go a long way to ensuring the people that sign up for the courses, complete them.  Make it totally refundable upon completion of the class or a credit towards the license.  I think that a lot of it comes down to money.  If they want more instructors, there's going to need to be some better compensation.  The people that are doing it now, do it because they love the sport, or because they want to pass it on.  If there was financial compensation for the instructors, I think there would be more interest in becoming an instructor.  With peoples work schedules, real lives and whatnot, there isn't enough hours in the day for them to have a life AND teach.  The retired guys that I teach with don't have those issues, for the most part.  A big push for ethical, experienced/retired hunters to become teachers would be a great thing. 

The Hunters Ed instructor incentive permits would probably need to have the 3 year minimum lowered to 1-2 years.   

Making licenses more expensive for everyone isn't going to help encourage/retain hunters.

Maybe a reduction in license fees for a parent/child combo that take Hunters Ed and then purchase their licenses together   

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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 01:58:05 PM »
I've said it before, and I still feel that a small fee for hunters ed would go a long way to ensuring the people that sign up for the courses, complete them.  Make it totally refundable upon completion of the class or a credit towards the license.  I think that a lot of it comes down to money.  If they want more instructors, there's going to need to be some better compensation.  The people that are doing it now, do it because they love the sport, or because they want to pass it on.  If there was financial compensation for the instructors, I think there would be more interest in becoming an instructor.  With peoples work schedules, real lives and whatnot, there isn't enough hours in the day for them to have a life AND teach.  The retired guys that I teach with don't have those issues, for the most part.  A big push for ethical, experienced/retired hunters to become teachers would be a great thing. 

The Hunters Ed instructor incentive permits would probably need to have the 3 year minimum lowered to 1-2 years.   

Making licenses more expensive for everyone isn't going to help encourage/retain hunters.

Maybe a reduction in license fees for a parent/child combo that take Hunters Ed and then purchase their licenses together
I respectfully disagree. I don't believe instructors should be compensated. That attracts instructors for the wrong reason. We have enough hunters and others in the state that could serve as instructors. They need to be asked and treated properly.

As for charging a refundable fee, we already do that. It helps but does not completely eliminate no shows.

I like the parent/child combo idea.
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 02:02:19 PM »
This is where I need the most input:

Steps to help retain current hunters
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•   ?

 A lot of aggravated hunters in this thread.....

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,153802.0.html

License costs, access, guys who hate hunting spike bull elk every year, the list goes on.
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 02:10:07 PM »
I've said it before, and I still feel that a small fee for hunters ed would go a long way to ensuring the people that sign up for the courses, complete them.  Make it totally refundable upon completion of the class or a credit towards the license.  I think that a lot of it comes down to money.  If they want more instructors, there's going to need to be some better compensation.  The people that are doing it now, do it because they love the sport, or because they want to pass it on.  If there was financial compensation for the instructors, I think there would be more interest in becoming an instructor.  With peoples work schedules, real lives and whatnot, there isn't enough hours in the day for them to have a life AND teach.  The retired guys that I teach with don't have those issues, for the most part.  A big push for ethical, experienced/retired hunters to become teachers would be a great thing. 

The Hunters Ed instructor incentive permits would probably need to have the 3 year minimum lowered to 1-2 years.   

Making licenses more expensive for everyone isn't going to help encourage/retain hunters.

Maybe a reduction in license fees for a parent/child combo that take Hunters Ed and then purchase their licenses together
I respectfully disagree. I don't believe instructors should be compensated. That attracts instructors for the wrong reason. We have enough hunters and others in the state that could serve as instructors. They need to be asked and treated properly.

As for charging a refundable fee, we already do that. It helps but does not completely eliminate no shows.

I like the parent/child combo idea.

I agree that instructors shouldn't be compensated, but if they're trying to increase instructor numbers by 100% in the next 5 years, they're going to need SOME sort of draw for the new instructors. 

I've been doing this for less than a year, so I haven't had any problems that some of my instructor group has experienced.  They have said the previous guy that ran our area was HORRIBLE to work for, but it has improved significantly in the last 1-2 years. 

Really like their idea about polling instructors for what they think could be done to improve things.

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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 02:19:29 PM »
"Really like their idea about polling instructors for what they think could be done to improve things."

I've suggested that several times. What better way is there to learn what instructors need and want than to ask them?

It's very disappointing that it has not happened on a coordinated basis.

It's been my perception that good programs attract good instructors, and poor programs don't attract anyone.

WDFW needs to find out what works and what doesn't work, and then use that information to improve all the programs.

This is a bit off topic, however. Hunter retention has little to do with hunter education. Recruitment of new hunters does.
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2014, 03:06:47 PM »
This is where I need the most input:

Steps to help retain current hunters
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All states struggle with this.  Idaho just implemented the 3-year license purchase.  It won't help for the on-the-fence-guys you're wanting to retain, but it would keep a guy off the fence for 3 years.  Also, they have the lifetime license that we don't: same concept but lifetime of no fence-sitting. 

ID is good at the upsell by offering the "Sportsman's Package" where you get everything possible at a reduced rate; it actually increases revenue since some buy it who would not have otherwise spent the full amount just to know that they've got "everything".  Making the license process easier by offering a one-package-at-a-discount option would help retention.

Simplifying hunting regulations would make it easier for a guy to want to buy a license next year.  ID messed this up with their elk regulations around '96 and have paid the price since.  Now they're loosening the regs to allow hunting in more than one elk zone, etc.  That'll help them and will help us, too.

Only way to retain hunters is to offer a cost:benefit value that is higher than other options, though.  Increase herd sizes and you'll lengthen seasons which will increase the benefit and retain hunters.  Flexible seasons would let people choose when to have their family hunting camp (set your date range when you buy your tags). 

A "Family Maximum Cost" package would help retention.  Set it at $600, and they'd sell thousands!  Plus, they'd be getting kids involved that may have not been taken to hunting camp.

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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2014, 03:25:50 PM »
Just had coffee with the Hunter Ed. coordinator last week and he had some very insightful information.  He said hunter ed numbers were on the increase, but getting them in the sport and keeping them there on the decrease.  For example, last year they graduated roughly 12,000 students through hunter ed, but less than half went on to buy a license.  There in lies the problem.

In my opinion, hunter ed gives people the "credentials" to hunt, but not the knowledge to actually go out and do it.  They can legally hunt, but still most don't know where to start... and giving somebody a set of regs still doesn't help... because they don't know where to start.  They need somebody to help them make sense of the whole thing so they understand how to come up with a game plan, decide what species they want to start hunting, how to select an area, how to juggle between different weapon types and season preferences, how to scout an area, how to develop a strategy for making their kiddos successful, how to assess various constraints to what their goals are, how to make the special permit process work for them, and how to maximize their experience and make memories that will last a lifetime!

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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 03:31:39 PM »
How about the last class is instruction on how to buy licenses, how to apply for permits and some tips about public land access nearby where the class was held?

If you want to get crazy, schedule a group hunt for the class.

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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 03:54:23 PM »
How about the last class is instruction on how to buy licenses, how to apply for permits and some tips about public land access nearby where the class was held?

If you want to get crazy, schedule a group hunt for the class.
I agree and believe the curriculum needs to be revised to include topics such as that. I created a document for our students to help them prepare for their first hunt, but it would be nice to cover more of it in class (see attached.)

As for a group hunt, I doubt the Risk Management department would think too highly of it.
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 04:03:21 PM »
I think many of us at times have questioned whether or not to support WDFW or go to another state.  I know I have.  If you don't agree with the current mgmt what other options do you have?  It seems that costs go up and opportunity goes down. 

To retain hunters, they need to be on your side.  With issues like predator control (in general), wolves and how well we feel we are honestly being communicated to seem to be an area that could improve.  IF that could be accomplished, I think you'd retain more hunters.
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 04:19:31 PM »
This is where I need the most input:

Steps to help retain current hunters
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WDFW can help retain current hunters by not issuing citations with bs charges.  I have never had a bad run-in with enforcement but I've heard of a few encounters that if I were the guy that was issued a citation I would have a hard time hunting in this state ever again.  And if you lose that person as a hunter, then how many of his buddies or kids do you end up losing because you've lost him?

Our resident LEO expert gave examples of officers in Adams and Grant counties issuing citations to hunters for wastage of game when leaving coyotes lay.  Another one he told probably 6 months ago (but I can't forget it) was when a person told about how an officer almost wrote him up for spotlighting deer when he was simply walking out of the woods with a headlamp on.  The LEO expert on this site said he has no problem with the officer writing for that and he says those cases have held up in court.  :o

I don't want to seem like I'm bashing enforcement officers, but when I hear of instances like this I am just amazed.  Instances like this makes it seem like they are out to find any technicality that they can pin on you.
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Re: Input Needed RE: Hunter Retention
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 04:28:47 PM »
For new hunters i agree that the HE requirement is insufficient for some one with no mentor. That is why i think Nonprofits or the private sector should be allowed to offer coursed for a fee. The safety portion could be covered as well as more detailed aspects to hunting. additional courses could be offered as demand necessitates. This is not unusually. Running "Free" and pay courses currently run along side each other. examples are the Drivers and Boaters Lic.


As far as Keeping hunters/sportmen i think the issue is harder. I think the crux is that the WDFW needs to do a better job, and in many areas. While the department pushes the "experience" and not the kill, I can hike with a gun for free ( or a camera) and don't have to worry about additional laws(or forking out for a Lic). Hunters don't need success everytime however they definitely need some to stay hunting. Additionally bad experiences cause many people to quit. Rising costs, harder to succeed, less opportunity in the field are all challenges. All it takes is a bad experience with a warden or sheriff, land owner, buying the wrong tag because your confused to tip you over the edge and say  :pee: on it...  I used to fish but no longer do, because of a bad experience. I LOVE to waterfowl hunt, but rarely go on public land anymore for the same reason.  I used to buy EVERYTHING and try and do it all. Now I just waterfowl, kill coyotes and sometimes buy my deer tag for archery. I no longer wish to fight it... If i had not landed a couple of good spots to deer hunt I likely would give that up too.
In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

Confucius

 


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