Wash. reports new wolf pack found

[CAMPMEAT]

The spotted owl greeners may have an even bigger disaster brewing!  Campmeat what is the "Name" of wolves that roam Trout to Sheridan Hardscrabble area?  I assume its Bodie pack? Or do they not exist yet?

No name for those, YET. The WDFW doesn't believe anything thing that we tell them, or show them. I've seen them in those areas, have pictures of scat and tracks, WDFW doesn't care. I hear about them in Wauconda now and in you area over here too. I was told of 2 in a field over the hill from your place about a month ago.

One of our HW members is hunting up Hardscrabble with his wife and I told him about the wolves in that area for safety reasons. He's camping up Trout Creek past your place.

It isn't that they don't believe you Campmeat, WDFW know where their wolves are they just don't confirm unless they are forced to do so.

I forgot, CNW money goes a long ways....

[Mudman]

I see.  Well I guess next week I will be listening to ghost wolves howling again.   Heck the top of a mountain has wolf scat all over it.  I had to investigate after they howled from it the night before.  Very close to camp.  Wolfbait your right and thats the problem, corrupt political agenda.

[CAMPMEAT]

I see.  Well I guess next week I will be listening to ghost wolves howling again.   Heck the top of a mountain has wolf scat all over it.  I had to investigate after they howled from it the night before.  Very close to camp.  Wolfbait your right and thats the problem, corrupt political agenda.

Maybe I'll swing by earlier before you pack up and leave...

[Mudman]

Sure, sat. to sat. so sun.-fri.  Usually around early afternoon till 3ish.

[CAMPMEAT]

Sure, sat. to sat. so sun.-fri.  Usually around early afternoon till 3ish.

Got it. Maybe take pictures of your local grizzly bear while you're over here. Start a new WDFWW scare......

[wolfbait]

MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2014
Another Washington wolf pack targets livestock

ENDANGERED SPECIES — A northeastern Washington wolf pack so new it hasn't been formally recognized has been confirmed in a livestock attack in Ferry County, state wildlife officials announced today.

The Profanity Pack, which apparently was documented sometime this year by a biologist working with the Colville Confederated Tribes, has been related to a wolf attack on cattle reported Sept. 12 on a Colville National Forest grazing allotment.

The pack, which doesn't yet show on state wolf recovery maps, was named for its proximity to Profanity Peak, elevation 6,428 feet, along the crest of the Kettle River Range east of Curlew, and north of Sherman Pass.

“Remote cameras show the pack includes at least three adults and three pups,” said Nate Pamplin, Washington Fish and Wildlife Department wildlife program director.

“WDFW is coordinating with the Colville Confederated Tribe on camera monitoring and future trapping efforts to place a radio collar on members of the pack.”

The Diamond M livestock operation, grazing on a U.S. Forest Service (USFS) allotment, reported finding a wolf-killed cow and calf in the vicinity of the Profanity Peak pack, Pamplin said.

Diamond M Ranch also had problems with wolf attacks mostly on private land in northern Stevens County in 2012. Those attacks affecting 17 cattle, led the state to put helicopter gunners in the air and kill eight members of the Wedge Pack.

“WDFW staff and deputies from the Stevens County and Ferry County sheriff’s offices responded and went to the site on Friday,” Pamplin said. “The area was remote, about four miles by trail from the nearest road.  WDFW staff confirmed that the cattle had been killed by wolves approximately a week before the necropsy.”

The Forest Service grazing allotment has 210 cow-calf pairs, Pamplin said:

The operators indicated that they believe that they have had more depredations than what has been located.  Operators also indicated that they are moving the cattle down (to a lower elevation) on the allotment to get to better forage and to initiate the move of cattle toward the area from which they will moved off the range in about a month (these actions were discussed independent of this depredation event). 
WDFW staff are completing the depredation investigation report and also reviewing/completing a current checklist of preventive measures that have been used to this point.

WDFW will coordinate with the USFS and the operator to continue discussions on options for avoiding/minimizing further depredations.

The cattle attacks were reported a month after another pack, the Huckleberry Pack, was confirmed in attacks on sheep a rancher was running on a private timber company grazing lease in Stevens County.  At least 24 sheep were killed as state officers went in and killed one of the pack's wolves, the alpha female.  The 1,800 sheep have been moved to other pasture.

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2014/sep/15/another-washington-wolf-pack-targets-livestock/



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[wolfbait]

"The operators indicated that they believe that they have had more depredations than what has been located"

No doubt, but proving it will probably be impossible.

[denali]

http://www.capitalpress.com/Washington/20140916/new-wolf-pack-moves-into-washington-state

Photo courtesy of Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife trail cameras captured footage of an adult wolf in this file photo. Officials have designated a new wolf pack in northeastern Washington state.
A Washington rancher says wolves in the new Profanity Peak pack have been preying on their livestock.

Northeastern Washington has a new wolf pack, and a rancher there says it’s already been killing his cattle.

The Profanity Peak pack has been in the area at least a year, said David Ware, game division manager for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife. Photos indicate the pack has at least three adults and three pups. To be recognized as a pack, at least two wolves must have traveled together through a winter.

The state is working to trap the wolves to put a radio collar on one.

The pack is so named because it is near Profanity Peak in Ferry County, Ware said.

The state has already confirmed that a wolf killed an adult cow and a calf in the same territory as the pack. The livestock is owned by the Diamond M Ranch.

“We’ve been finding kills all summer,” said Bill McIrvin, partner in the Diamond M Ranch with his father, Len, and nephew Justin Hedrick.

Some 17 animals belonging to the ranch were killed or injured by wolves from the Wedge pack in 2012. The state subsequently killed seven wolves from that pack.

“We’re just trying to figure out why the first two packs that are into cattle hard in the state are into our cattle,” McIrvin said. “We think they’re killing steady.”

The ranch runs roughly 400 cow-calf pairs on two grazing allotments on the Colville National Forest near the U.S.-Canada border.

In addition to the confirmed kill, McIrvin said three other calves were killed and three calves and one cow were bitten. He also said there were three dry cows that haven’t had a calf and a couple of cows that were still producing milk, meaning their calves were likely recently killed.

“We know it’s been significant, those cows are all showing the signs of being harassed, that (the wolves are) feeding on them,” he said.

McIrvin said the ranchers maintained a human presence as they moved the livestock around, but it didn’t appear to slow the wolves.

“You know the other side will try to say it was our fault because we were sloppy ranching,” he said. “I’m sure they’ll try to make us look like the bad guy because we didn’t do enough, but we’ve done everything we could do.”

Ware said field staffers are trying to determine the best course of action to keep any more livestock from being attacked.

“It’s a fairly remote area, so it’s not going to be an easy task to determine something to do that will help keep wolves and livestock apart,” he said.

McIrvin said they also found eight cows that had been shot.

“I would guess that it’s probably wolf advocates that are shooting the cattle. We had threats and things that they would shoot cattle,” he said. The sheriff’s office has been notified.

The ranchers are moving the livestock from the grazing allotment onto privately owned fall pasture earlier than normal, McIrvin said.

McIrvin hopes to reach out to local officials.

“We don’t feel that our elected officials ought to allow the state’s wolves to prey on our livestock,” he said. “(We’re hoping to) stop the cycle of wolves eating our livestock.”

Ware advised ranchers to be diligent. Wolf depredations on livestock often occur in late summer, when the packs and wolf young are more mobile and their food needs are greater as the pups mature.

“August and September are probably the two toughest months in terms of wolf depredations,” he said.

[snowpack]

Sounds like something wolf/eco whackos would do.

[idahohuntr]

Sounds like something wolf/eco whackos would do.

  That kind of surprises me...I guess maybe those ELF groups that firebomb gas guzzlers or something...but I usually don't think of greenies as being all that proficient with firearms.

“It’s a fairly remote area, so it’s not going to be an easy task to determine something to do that will help keep wolves and livestock apart,” he said.

The surest way to reduce livestock losses from wolves is to not put livestock in wolf habitat.  Not saying thats the only option, but at some point don't livestock producers have to factor in predation losses to their business if they continue to operate where wolves occur and are a protected species?

[snowpack]

There's plenty of whackos out there that are out looking for wolf traps/snares/baits to destroy.  They are on other sites talking about how to locate trap lines and disable snares/traps.  Many are big into the get grazing off public land band wagon.
I don't know that they have to be very proficient when it comes to cows.

[jasnt]

Sounds like something wolf/eco whackos would do.

  That kind of surprises me...I guess maybe those ELF groups that firebomb gas guzzlers or something...but I usually don't think of greenies as being all that proficient with firearms.

“It’s a fairly remote area, so it’s not going to be an easy task to determine something to do that will help keep wolves and livestock apart,” he said.

The surest way to reduce livestock losses from wolves is to not put livestock in wolf habitat.  Not saying thats the only option, but at some point don't livestock producers have to factor in predation losses to their business if they continue to operate where wolves occur and are a protected species?

at the current rate wolves are spreading it would push livestock ranchers out of the pnw. Before long. Or on poor land which defeats the whole purpose of grazing. Keeping wolves away from livestock is going to be a growing business in the future.  The wolves are here to stay and I'm sure many ranchers are going to hold their ground.

[CAMPMEAT]

I went up there today howling. When I was leaving, a Federal Government truck and a Confederated Colville Tribes truck were going up on, the " HARD TRAIL ", to get a 4 wheeler the FEDS totaled by running it off the HARD TRAIL to get back 4 miles.

The trail is an old wagon trail that the old timers brought supplies from Marblemount out of Darrington to the Kettle Falls area in the old days.

[wolfbait]

Sounds like something wolf/eco whackos would do.

  That kind of surprises me...I guess maybe those ELF groups that firebomb gas guzzlers or something...but I usually don't think of greenies as being all that proficient with firearms.

“It’s a fairly remote area, so it’s not going to be an easy task to determine something to do that will help keep wolves and livestock apart,” he said.

The surest way to reduce livestock losses from wolves is to not put livestock in wolf habitat.  Not saying thats the only option, but at some point don't livestock producers have to factor in predation losses to their business if they continue to operate where wolves occur and are a protected species?[/color]

Magic meatballs would keep the wolves and cattle apart.

 Maybe it's time to change the wolf habitat. I have a few ideas, quite sure you can guess what they are.

[gaddy]

does anyone have the tally's of confirmed packs to date and locations ?