WDFW to Hold wolf Meeting Colville

[Sitka_Blacktail]

  It's just amazing how selfish and unsympathetic people are that have "no skin in the game".
  By the way, I do have livestock "skin in the game" and am a Wildlife Biologist.

I'm no Wildlife Biologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night....... 

[mkcj]

"Others suggested transplanting wolves from northeast Washington to other parts of the state. “Trap them and transplant them to Western Washington,” one woman said, to audience cheers."

"Relocating wolves would be a costly endeavor, requiring federal and state review, said Steve Pozzanghera, the department’s eastern regional director"

BS! they know where every den site is for every pack, trapping would be much easier and less costly then shooting them. Then the wolf lovers on the west side can enjoy them also.

[PA BEN]

A gal spoke and asked why did you spend over 50,000 of my money to kill 4 wolves in the Huckleberry pack with helicopters and only got one because it was too brushy and they wouldn't move into the open.  She said that their are local hunters who know the area, know how to get the job done that would have done it for free. Answer; we don't have the numbers to issue TAGS. She said, you don't understand I'm not talking tags I'm talking shooters that are way cheaper then helicopters that will get the job done. Answer; No tags or permits at this time. WOW, I understand these people have their hands tied by the westside, but they could have said anything other than no tags or permits. They could have said, we will take that idea back to OLY. BTW, they said helicopters are the best way to take out wolves and they scare them out of the area. They said after the helicopters were used on the Huckleberry pack they were pushed onto the Reservation which is a no fly zone for the WDFW.   

[PA BEN]

Letter to Nate and the Commission, copied reps and senator:

"Dear Mr. Pamplin and Members of the Wildlife Commission,

As you most likely know, I'm a Master Hunter, a member of several conservation groups, and a member of an active member online forum which has in excess of 16,000 members. I'd like to know a few things about the recent transfer of a captured problem female wild wolf to Wolf Haven. 1. Was or will this wolf be spayed to avoid breeding with other species or hybrids? 2. Was DNA profiling done on this wolf for use in possible future examinations or investigations? 3. Is there a program set up to monitor the life of this wolf at the facility to ensure it doesn't accidentally escape and become a problem in another part of the state?

There are many people who don't understand this transfer. The appearance of a relationship between the WDFW and and activist pro-wolf organization is definitely raising some eyebrows in the hunting and farming/ranching communities. In addition, as far as I can tell, no such transfer is outlined in the Wolf Plan and questions are being raised as to whether this transfer was 4. Even allowed under the program, 5. the decision of one person, or that of a group of people, and 6. who that person or people are. I'd like to get answers to all of these questions in a timely manner please. Feel free to contact me at your earliest convenience. Thank you for your consideration of my request."

The question was asked about wolf haven and this wolf. They told the story about the two wolves running w/a local dog and one got bread. They spayed one and collared them. This one has become a problem and with all the advice from all groups the Director made the decision to give this wolf to wolf haven. Alot of comments came from the crowd that the wolf should have been shot. Someone asked what happened to the other wolf? They said it got hit by a car and the crowd got up and clapped. Also, someone said this is a wild wolf, it will suffer in captivity and pace back and forth along the fence. They said if this doesn't work, it will be put down.   

[pianoman9701]

They're in over their heads and gasping for air, and it's their fault. All of the evidence was there for them and they listened to the greenies to form the plan. They don't know how to control the wolves. They don't know how to control the people they listened to in the beginning. I would feel bad for them but thousands of people told them this would happen. Who I feel bad for are the people who have to live and earn a living in this mess.

[headshot5]

After speaking with someone very involved with the wolf program, he indicated the the WDFW is doing what they can to manage the wolves in the face of fierce opposition from the pro-wolf groups. He did say that if there were able they'd be managing the wolves more aggressively. They're being hampered in this by overwhelming public opinion in favor of the wolves and the possibility of pressure from the Governor's office is also a factor. It was also apparent from talking with him that when they were formulating the plan, they had no idea what they were getting into with regards to the scope and goals of the program, much as we've discussed and speculated on this forum. He urged me to keep from getting personal toward any one member of the WDFW as no one person is responsible for how they're being managed at this point. The information was helpful in getting an overall idea of where the program stands right now. I feel even stringer that the only hope we have to being able to manage the wolves within a reasonable period of time is if westsiders get a taste of the packs.

Interestingly enough this is pretty much what Idahohuntr has been saying all along.       I do quite agree with you that we are going to only see results when wolves start plaguing the west-siders.  I can only hope that day comes quickly (even though I have mixed feelings about it happening). 

[PA BEN]

 Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife. 

[pianoman9701]

After speaking with someone very involved with the wolf program, he indicated the the WDFW is doing what they can to manage the wolves in the face of fierce opposition from the pro-wolf groups. He did say that if there were able they'd be managing the wolves more aggressively. They're being hampered in this by overwhelming public opinion in favor of the wolves and the possibility of pressure from the Governor's office is also a factor. It was also apparent from talking with him that when they were formulating the plan, they had no idea what they were getting into with regards to the scope and goals of the program, much as we've discussed and speculated on this forum. He urged me to keep from getting personal toward any one member of the WDFW as no one person is responsible for how they're being managed at this point. The information was helpful in getting an overall idea of where the program stands right now. I feel even stringer that the only hope we have to being able to manage the wolves within a reasonable period of time is if westsiders get a taste of the packs.

Interestingly enough this is pretty much what Idahohuntr has been saying all along.       I do quite agree with you that we are going to only see results when wolves start plaguing the west-siders.  I can only hope that day comes quickly (even though I have mixed feelings about it happening).

Not so much. He's not been saying they designed a plan way over their heads and are paying for their own mistakes. He's been one of their staunchest supporters in this plan. They screwed the pooch on this and the ranchers have to pay for it.

[AspenBud]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County. 

[AspenBud]

After speaking with someone very involved with the wolf program, he indicated the the WDFW is doing what they can to manage the wolves in the face of fierce opposition from the pro-wolf groups. He did say that if there were able they'd be managing the wolves more aggressively. They're being hampered in this by overwhelming public opinion in favor of the wolves and the possibility of pressure from the Governor's office is also a factor. It was also apparent from talking with him that when they were formulating the plan, they had no idea what they were getting into with regards to the scope and goals of the program, much as we've discussed and speculated on this forum. He urged me to keep from getting personal toward any one member of the WDFW as no one person is responsible for how they're being managed at this point. The information was helpful in getting an overall idea of where the program stands right now. I feel even stringer that the only hope we have to being able to manage the wolves within a reasonable period of time is if westsiders get a taste of the packs.

Interestingly enough this is pretty much what Idahohuntr has been saying all along.       I do quite agree with you that we are going to only see results when wolves start plaguing the west-siders.  I can only hope that day comes quickly (even though I have mixed feelings about it happening).

Not so much. He's not been saying they designed a plan way over their heads and are paying for their own mistakes. He's been one of their staunchest supporters in this plan. They screwed the pooch on this and the ranchers have to pay for it.

He has been telling you for a long time now that WDFW has its hands tied by the extremist pro wolf side which is effectively what this other individual said. The statements are nearly the same. But hard truth is not what people want in this, they want big bad government agencies so they can affirm their anti government stances.

You wait, if a Clive Bundy style showdown happens it will quickly devolve from wolves to talk about Federal/state land grabs and the issue will get buried. If you think people don't take ranchers seriously on wolves now, just wait.

[pianoman9701]

Their hands weren't tied until they caved into the wolf groups instead of setting reasonable goals. They could've listened to the objections and they could've learned from the problems in ID and MT. They didn't. They could have, but they didn't. Now that they have to work with the plan THEY designed, their hands are tied. Big difference.

[CAMPMEAT]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

[AspenBud]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

You're absolutely right, it's we the people. Not just the people of Stevens County. Every deer, elk, cougar, wolf, tree, spot of dirt... if it's on government land it belongs to everyone, not just one small population center in the corner of the state. That doesn't make what is happening particularly fair, but the fact remains, the county can enforce rules on county land and that's about it. The good senator just did what any politician does and say what his constituents wanted to hear and make promises that he can't keep or that are unachievable.

[CAMPMEAT]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

You're absolutely right, it's we the people. Not just the people of Stevens County.

That's the problem, people from out of state pretty much get a vote on huge problems they have zero incidents/experiences with, ever.

How many real wolves have you seen in Washington, seeing, not seeing scat or hair ?

How many ranchers do you know who's cattle is getting killed by wolves ?
 
How many cops do you know who investigates these wolf kills in Stevens County ?

How many times have you reported wolf sightings and or wolf track pictures to the WDFW ?

Me: 6 wolves
Me: ! ( the biggest cattleman in Stevens County )
Me: 2 cops
ME: at least a dozen times with zero care from WDFW 5 years ago to date.

[KFhunter]

Senator Brian Dansel spoke at the end of the meeting and chewed WDFW's a??. He said he is going to introduce legislation to move game management to the County and not the State. He got a standing O for that one. He said it will bring more money to the Counties and will benefit the wildlife.

Unfortunately for the good senator state land belongs to the state and federal land belongs to the Fed. Or put another way, those lands belong to a heck of a lot more people than Stevens County.

You are totally wrong on who owns the lands in this entire country. We, the people do. We are the gubmint ( loosely because of how we're threatened by the corruption in the gubmint ). The gubmint is working for us, not the other way around. We pay their salaries, every cent of it. We need our power back and not the gubmint getting more and more and screwing us, period.

You're absolutely right, it's we the people. Not just the people of Stevens County. Every deer, elk, cougar, wolf, tree, spot of dirt... if it's on government land it belongs to everyone, not just one small population center in the corner of the state. That doesn't make what is happening particularly fair, but the fact remains, the county can enforce rules on county land and that's about it. The good senator just did what any politician does and say what his constituents wanted to hear and make promises that he can't keep or that are unachievable.

When your neighbors dogs comes over and kills all your chickens what do you do?

You've contacted the neighbor about the problem, you've spend out of pocket 100's of dollars upgrading your fence yet the dogs keep coming over.
Now you've caught your neighbor opening the gate and letting the dogs in your yard!

Neighbor says they're just doing what dogs do and tosses you $2.25 to cover the loss of a chicken that one of his dogs are currently mauling...you tell him you've lost over 20 chickens!   the neighbor says wasn't my dogs killed those 20 chickens, must have been a honey badger,  you kindly inform him that it wasn't a freaking honey badger they're in Africa you dum...

Now you get into a fist fight, get arrested for assault and tossed in the slammer while all your chickens get confiscated because the city just rezoned your area to prohibit poultry and livestock of any kind while you were in jail.  When you finally get home the neighbor just acquired a couple of new dogs, and they bark 24/7.