Got fired!

[Dan-o]

I'm not sure I understand.   Is your position that:

1.  You should be able to take your firearm wherever you want - even onto another person's private property if they don't want guns there?
2.  That your 2A rights are somehow constrained if a private business restricts guns on their private property?

[csaaphill]

I'm not sure I understand.   Is your position that:

1.  You should be able to take your firearm wherever you want - even onto another person's private property if they don't want guns there?
2.  That your 2A rights are somehow constrained if a private business restricts guns on their private property? because he got fired!

If it's in my truck YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it's on my person and concealed YES YES too because it's one of the rights written in the bill of rights and helps protect all others

[Dan-o]

So, to be sure I understand your view......

Your right to carry your firearm onto my private property trumps my right to do with my private property as I will?

By the way, I'm a supporter of 2A rights.....   I'm also a supporter of private property rights.   I figure if I don't want people walking on my wood floors in their shoes, that's my right.  I figure you've got a right to shoes (whether you conceal them or not) but in my house or on my property, it's my rules.....

If it's your property, then your rules.   If I don't like your rules, I don't have to go on your property.

[Dan-o]

P.S.   I have at least a passing familiarity with the Bill of Rights........   Where do you see that it gives
(or even likely infers) a person the right to carry firearms onto another person's private property against the property owner's wishes?

[csaaphill]

P.S.   I have at least a passing familiarity with the Bill of Rights........   Where do you see that it gives
(or even likely infers) a person the right to carry firearms onto another person's private property against the property owner's wishes?

For one when adopted they have tons of quotes about this issue.
  The Constitution shall never be construed … to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. – Samuel Adams
 The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. – Alexander Hamilton
 A strong body makes a strong mind. As to the species of exercise I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks. – Thomas Jefferson
I like that one for it uses the conceptof being armed when walking or wherever one would go.
Many other quotes too.
Pitting theBillof rights vs what modern day people think of as rights is wrong and only leads to tyranny either of the Gov kind or other forms.
I hear North Korea oR China are looking for Collective thinkers GO!

[csaaphill]

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

Saying that one can't work here because they dont' want guns on the property is doing just this: That person is becoming a master of some sort.

[csaaphill]

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)
I see right threw what you people try to show as a Patriotic show of standing up for Private proprty, but for me it wont work.
Can't disarm us one way you will try to disarm us another
Others may not see it but I do. For saying anyone who works here has to sign this paper stating you wont bring gun to work even if it's locked in your car or pickup is a clear violation of the second amendments true meaning.
WHile it may not be a clear disarming as a cop coming to your house and conficating your guns, but if you can't take it in your car or pickup while at work it might as well be and I see this as just another bit of liberal rheteric that is pitting one right against another, then using the Majority and opinion to rule and use law against that individule.
People truly need to see past these things and learn to see how something is going to affect you before voting and or allowing these kinds of things.
hence:
Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel exactly has this kind of situation in mind.
 

[CAMPMEAT]

I know a GUN RIGHTS LAWYER who hates the liberal, gun grabbers. He's out of Woodinville.

[xd2005]

I'm the one of which you are thinking. You're wrong, but I'm the one.

I believe in private property rights. I also believe that business owners also retain those rights. You can disagree, that's fine, I think it's a stretch to call that a liberal ideal, however.

your not a liberal then?

Where are you going with this? Are you saying if someone disagrees with you, they are liberal? Are you saying that if a liberal says 2+2=4, they're wrong, because they are a liberal? Just because I believe in property rights and also believe that there are legitimate reasons to limit firearms possession (such as felons, while you have made clear you believe everyone should be able to own a gun, period), I do not believe that makes me a liberal. You can call me what you would like to feel better about yourself, I do not really care.

[Special T]

No worries huntingaddiction, some of my points where not response to you, just clarifying some misconceptions on carry laws I saw.

You did not break any law, but you don't have to break a law to be terminated.  Our place has no gun rule, but everyone knows half the employees have them out in cars, but everyone respects rules in the building.  Thankfully our mgmt uses common sense.

Part of this is the plausible deny-ability that it provides the company. It insulates them from liability if some employee, or thief takes the gun and kills some one with it. Its kind of a wink and a nod agreement. HOWEVER if it comes to the companies attention they MUST fire the person to keep protecting the company because if they make an exemption then their open to liability.

[Knocker of rocks]

I'm the one of which you are thinking. You're wrong, but I'm the one.

I believe in private property rights. I also believe that business owners also retain those rights. You can disagree, that's fine, I think it's a stretch to call that a liberal ideal, however.

your not a liberal then?

Where are you going with this? Are you saying if someone disagrees with you, they are liberal? Are you saying that if a liberal says 2+2=4, they're wrong, because they are a liberal?

Standard fare here

[huntingaddiction]

I'm not sure I understand.   Is your position that:

1.  You should be able to take your firearm wherever you want - even onto another person's private property if they don't want guns there?
2.  That your 2A rights are somehow constrained if a private business restricts guns on their private property?

Timeout how is a corporation a private business when they get so much help from the government!

[huntingaddiction]

I know a GUN RIGHTS LAWYER who hates the liberal, gun grabbers. He's out of Woodinville.

Campmeat pm me?

[Stein]

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  By the same logic, I guess I could exercise my right to the pursuit of happiness by shooting an elk on private property as they would be impeding on my rights and I can ignore their silly property rules.

It sucks getting fired, but as a private property owner and employer they make the rules.  Play, don't play or play and try not to get caught.

[Knocker of rocks]

I'm not sure I understand.   Is your position that:

1.  You should be able to take your firearm wherever you want - even onto another person's private property if they don't want guns there?
2.  That your 2A rights are somehow constrained if a private business restricts guns on their private property?

Timeout how is a corporation a private business when they get so much help from the government!

Then there are no such things as private business?  Is private business helped or hindered by the government?  Where you got fired from, did they receive business or "help" from the government?