Well a hat when we were in there 3 years ago before the ar cow allowance there were 2 large herds with big bulls that I was personally on several times with numerous satellite bulls running around and even then we never had shots at a spike. I believe my ascertion is valid. The only thing to have changed since then is the new ar cow take in those once bountiful units. And there weren't plenty of cows in there in oct but there should have been. So stuff it. I'm not blaming AR, that lies with wdfw.