2pt only season?... for mule deer.

[superdown]

I am pretty sure this is has been talked about before i don't have a problem seeing legal deer. but it may be a similar approach to the spike only elk season.Now no one has an issue with seeing a mature bull in the east... what do you think? it may not be  the right approach but what is happening now is not either 

[1bugman]

well it's an idea..............
 

saw lots of deer this year more than half were 2 points and about half or those won't ever be more than 2 points.

[boneaddict]

I had two propositions, either a youth option or another tag application which I figured would offer more funds collected. A two point permit.

[bobcat]

They do have some two point only permits in a few units. But personally I don't like the idea. It just seems like it would be simpler to change the general season to a 2 point minimum. Or, in units where deer numbers are below objective, eliminate the general season and go to permit only.

[buckfvr]

They do have some two point only permits in a few units. But personally I don't like the idea. It just seems like it would be simpler to change the general season to a 2 point minimum. Or, in units where deer numbers are below objective, eliminate the general season and go to permit only.

As often as you bring this up..........why not be a leader and voluntarily hunt every other year and let us know how that works for you................

[RadSav]

I know a few areas that could use a one or two year plan to clean up some of the monster 2X2's from the breeding pool.  Don't think it would be a great long term solution, but sounds like a great short term solution.  Although, when has the department ever been able to settle for short term   Bone's idea of a permit or youth option sounds pretty good to me

[DoubleJ]

I know a few areas that could use a one or two year plan to clean up some of the monster 2X2's from the breeding pool.  Don't think it would be a great long term solution, but sounds like a great short term solution.  Although, when has the department ever been able to settle for short term   Bone's idea of a permit or youth option sounds pretty good to me

Foster Creek

[bobcat]

They do have some two point only permits in a few units. But personally I don't like the idea. It just seems like it would be simpler to change the general season to a 2 point minimum. Or, in units where deer numbers are below objective, eliminate the general season and go to permit only.

As often as you bring this up..........why not be a leader and voluntarily hunt every other year and let us know how that works for you................

That wouldn't be a problem. I am already doing that. Last time I hunted mule deer in Washington was in 2012, and that's only because I drew a "quality" deer permit.

I don't enjoy the crowds of people so I probably won't hunt mule deer again until I draw a special permit, unless it's during the muzzleloader season.

[snowshoes22]

More of the 2 x2 tags would be filled if it were a youth hunt or second deer. I had it a couple years ago but shot a 4 point on the second day. A 2 point general season tag is not much incentive to shoot one.

[wildweeds]

I can't get my head wrapped around having hunting season pre rut/breeding and having a restriction that kills off the good genetic code before it has a chance to spread the seed.2 season option an early  draw season  to cull those monster two points and 2-3 year forked horn spike morphidite culls.And a post breeding season hunt for 3 point or better.Seeing what has gone on with this point restriction is baffling,spike only for elk and 3 point or better for deer,and they are 180 dgrees opposite each other but both are supposed to "improve" genetics . I'd say the Bios could use a good seminar on genetics from the cattlemans association,horse folks and even dog breeders.Crap begets crap,when allowed to spread their seed those monster two points ain't helping anything,I saw several this year that had to be 250+ on the hoof that had 26 inch or better spreads and 20+ inches worth of height,perfect and smoother than a bowling alley,they were not old whitefaced bucks either,I'd guesstimate the age of them at 3-5 years old.Coincidentally my buddies kid shot a nice little 4 point that couldn't have been but just 2 years old,small body and perfect teeth.Trying to modify the genetic code in the wild is tough buisness,trying to do it without common sense is the tactic being used IMO.It's not to tough to discern the age of a deer with an eye,perhaps those monster 2 points and junker bucks could be culled by master hunters who through ethics could fill their tag with genetic misfits that weren't 2 year olds.

[superdown]

They do have some two point only permits in a few units. But personally I don't like the idea. It just seems like it would be simpler to change the general season to a 2 point minimum. Or, in units where deer numbers are below objective, eliminate the general season and go to permit only.

although i do agree with going to permit only...A 2pt min  would not accomplish any thing because i am talking about a 2pt ONLY season which would save spikes and anything 3pt or better   

[superdown]

And to you special people that just decide a eye guard doesn't count i hope you fall on one    

[HunterStrait]

We need a 2 point only regulation for mule deer in the 166 and 162 area badly for at least two years.
There's too many two points up there.

[HardCorpsHuntr]

I think it's a bad idea.  A yearling buck with good genetics is usually a two point and a buck with not so good genetics is usually a spike.  I don't see enough mature two points to justify a 2 point Muley tag.  I would like to see 15 and under hunters and 65 and over hunters able to kill any mule deer buck though. 

[snowshoes22]

I agree the old super 2's need culled but a lot of hunters would settle for young ones

[superdown]

I think it's a bad idea.  A yearling buck with good genetics is usually a two point and a buck with not so good genetics is usually a spike.  I don't see enough mature two points to justify a 2 point Muley tag.  I would like to see 15 and under hunters and 65 and over hunters able to kill any mule deer buck though. 

I really appreciate your input but if you don't see a lot mature 2pts then you are in very good / no tellum ridge area. most of the people i talk to disagree.I own property in 204 and hunt a lot in 101 and also hunt most of the late white tail season in the northeast corner.

[RadSav]

I agree the old super 2's need culled but a lot of hunters would settle for young ones

For one or two seasons I still think that is ok in a limited number of GMU's where the super 2's are getting out of control.  Not going to completely wipe out the 2x2 population while you establish breeding of good genetics at the same time.

[Big6bull]

Youth and 65+ 2pt only seasons after or before reg season.

Maybe archery and muzzle loader 2pt min.

I saw at least 35 bucks this year and the only legal buck I saw I got to shoot. The rest were 2 pts and most of the 2 pt deer I saw were mature bucks ...

[Hunterman]

How about putting the seasons and points on a buck back to the old days, and get rid of this lawyer along state type of hunting we have now. This state has too many draw hunts, and we don't need more. Also, to do away with the general hunt, and go to an ALL DRAW state makes about as much since as calling an eye guard a point. This state is so screwed up with regulations that you DO need to have a lawyer with you to determine if one can hunt here or shoot that animal from this spot. How about putting the fun back into hunting..

Hunterman(Tony)

[RadSav]

How about putting the seasons and points on a buck back to the old days, and get rid of this lawyer along state type of hunting we have now. This state has too many draw hunts, and we don't need more. Also, to do away with the general hunt, and go to an ALL DRAW state makes about as much since as calling an eye guard a point. This state is so screwed up with regulations that you DO need to have a lawyer with you to determine if one can hunt here or shoot that animal from this spot. How about putting the fun back into hunting..

   Only in Washington is a two point deer a three point, but a three point elk can be a spike.  Most annoying thing I've ever seen.

[stinkbait]

What makes a deer no more than a two point?  Diet,genetics,minerals ? .  I dont think its possible for a deer to be a two point its whole life unless it was  harvested, or killed. The two point only rule is not a good way togo either. Wonder why canadien  mule deer are bigger?  They are managed , here they are not your only fooling yourself if you think the fish @ game department are trying to make positive choices. The doe tag quanties are killing our deer faster than anything multipul years of 2,000 3,000 doe tags or any deer is a perfect result of what you see in the teanaway ,not wolves,cougars , hairloss illness,poaching.  Make it 4 point only for muledeer,whitetail,any deer,blacktail 2 point..

[boneaddict]

Not sure the two point season would help on these old vets.  This guy has been perfectly legal for years, yet no one touched him.  We'll see if the fire got him I guess.

[RadSav]

Not sure the two point season would help on these old vets.  This guy has been perfectly legal for years, yet no one touched him.  We'll see if the fire got him I guess.

If 2 points were your only choice he'd be one heck of a nice tag filler!  Of course this state would probably tell you he is not a legal 2 point

[boneaddict]

I know right....