Biologists say land access fess bad for hunting

[fireweed]

http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/nov/06/biologist-land-access-fee-bad-hunting-wildlife/

[Curly]

Good article.

[idahohuntr]

Excellent points...couldn't agree more.

[csaaphill]

well duh ya noone wants to pay a bunch of money to hunt land just like Europe!
so ya duh.

[bearpaw]

The money goes to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to states, based on a formula that takes into account the area of a state and the number of licensed hunters.

None of the money can be used by anyone other than the state's fish and wildlife agency. and the USFWS to plant Canadian wolves into the Rocky Mountain states.

There, I corrected the inaccuracy. It is part of the congressional record that funds were stolen for planting wolves.

[mfswallace]

The money goes to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to states, based on a formula that takes into account the area of a state and the number of licensed hunters.

None of the money can be used by anyone other than the state's fish and wildlife agency. and the USFWS to plant Canadian wolves into the Rocky Mountain states.

There, I corrected the inaccuracy. It is part of the congressional record that funds were stolen for planting wolves.

Sad that it's 

[idahohuntr]

The money goes to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to states, based on a formula that takes into account the area of a state and the number of licensed hunters.

None of the money can be used by anyone other than the state's fish and wildlife agency. and the USFWS to plant Canadian wolves into the Rocky Mountain states.

There, I corrected the inaccuracy. It is part of the congressional record that funds were stolen for planting wolves.

Weren't you just complaining about threads being hi-jacked?  And here you are taking an article/thread about land access, something most sportsmen could agree on, and injecting a completely off-topic remark about some wolf conspiracy?     

[mfswallace]

The money goes to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to states, based on a formula that takes into account the area of a state and the number of licensed hunters.

None of the money can be used by anyone other than the state's fish and wildlife agency. and the USFWS to plant Canadian wolves into the Rocky Mountain states.

There, I corrected the inaccuracy. It is part of the congressional record that funds were stolen for planting wolves.

Weren't you just complaining about threads being hi-jacked?  And here you are taking an article/thread about land access, something most sportsmen could agree on, and injecting a completely off-topic remark about some wolf conspiracy? 

Seems like it follows the article and how funds are to be used 
Maybe your a little touchy about your pets 

[bearpaw]

The money goes to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to states, based on a formula that takes into account the area of a state and the number of licensed hunters.

None of the money can be used by anyone other than the state's fish and wildlife agency. and the USFWS to plant Canadian wolves into the Rocky Mountain states.

There, I corrected the inaccuracy. It is part of the congressional record that funds were stolen for planting wolves.

Weren't you just complaining about threads being hi-jacked?  And here you are taking an article/thread about land access, something most sportsmen could agree on, and injecting a completely off-topic remark about some wolf conspiracy? 

Not a hijack at all, I quoted and corrected the original comment in the news story posted by the OP. It's part of the Congressional record in Washington D.C. that funds were secretly and illegally diverted from Pittman-Robertson by USFWS to fund wolf introduction. Not that I don't see problems with the Weyerhauser issue, but illegally funded wolf introduction has impacted hunting opportunities for many thousands of hunters in numerous states. With states admitting new herds have been impacted by wolves each year, I think it's arguable that more hunting opportunities have been lost to wolves than to Weyerhauser.

Another factor impacting hunters is the Discover Pass. I don't really see much difference between the Discover Pass fee than Weyerhauser charging a fee to access their own private lands. The biggest difference is that the DP is charging hunters a fee to access publicly owned lands. Many citizens have objected to the DP, but it is still in place.

I would suggest the collective impact of all these factors and others is the real problem. It seems very hypocritical for a public employee to single out a private company as a primary factor limiting hunting opportunities and North American wildlife management when the very state for whom he works is charging an access fee to access publicly owned lands. 

[pianoman9701]

Going after Bearpaw seems like a good tack to take.    Anyone got any popcorn?

[Bob33]

Eric is spot on.

"Hunted wildlife species such as waterfowl, elk, pronghorn, white-tailed deer and wild sheep have rebounded from historic population low-points around 1900 under this system,'' Holman said.

"Wildlife that are generally not hunted have benefited from this as well due to the establishment and maintenance of habitats that support much more than game species and from the development of the science and tools used to manage all wildlife.

"This occurred because a large social-political entity (hunters) valued, funded and advocated for the animals and because large amounts of habitat on a combination of public and private lands was available for the wildlife and those who hunted them.'' 

Holman said it will take time to learn the management implications of the trend toward privatization of wildlife.

But he's not optimistic.

"Privatization, even when veiled in the form of access limitations, erodes this relationship and therefore the social and economic support for wildlife,'' Holman said.

"This is true whether it’s on a private game reserve in Europe, a fenced white-tailed deer ranch in Texas or and industrial tree farm with severe access restrictions.''

[idahohuntr]

The money goes to the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to states, based on a formula that takes into account the area of a state and the number of licensed hunters.

None of the money can be used by anyone other than the state's fish and wildlife agency. and the USFWS to plant Canadian wolves into the Rocky Mountain states.

There, I corrected the inaccuracy. It is part of the congressional record that funds were stolen for planting wolves.

Weren't you just complaining about threads being hi-jacked?  And here you are taking an article/thread about land access, something most sportsmen could agree on, and injecting a completely off-topic remark about some wolf conspiracy? 

Not a hijack at all, I quoted and corrected the original comment in the news story posted by the OP. It's part of the Congressional record in Washington D.C. that funds were secretly and illegally diverted from Pittman-Robertson by USFWS to fund wolf introduction. Not that I don't see problems with the Weyerhauser issue, but illegally funded wolf introduction has impacted hunting opportunities for many thousands of hunters in numerous states. With states admitting new herds have been impacted by wolves each year, I think it's arguable that more hunting opportunities have been lost to wolves than to Weyerhauser.

Another factor impacting hunters is the Discover Pass. I don't really see much difference between the Discover Pass fee than Weyerhauser charging a fee to access their own private lands. The biggest difference is that the DP is charging hunters a fee to access publicly owned lands. Many citizens have objected to the DP, but it is still in place.

I would suggest the collective impact of all these factors and others is the real problem. It seems very hypocritical for a public employee to single out a private company as a primary factor limiting hunting opportunities and North American wildlife management when the very state for whom he works is charging an access fee to access publicly owned lands. 

You know wolf talk can easily derail these threads so I still don't see pointing it out as necessary given the topic.

Back on point, yea, I would agree there is a bit of hypocricy for the state to charge  fees for access but then potentially criticize or judge a private company for doing the same...probably a lot more subtleties and details that I'm not aware of about the discover pass though.  I would say the states mismanagement of the private lands access program is more damaging to hunter access on the east side...its better than nothing but I just don't think some of those wdfw folks get it...all of the extra application money was supposed to improve access and all I've seen is a shell game and incompetence.  We have the worst private lands program in the Western US and probably the greatest need of any western state...its frustrating.

[fireweed]

Everyone--private landowners and public agencies--are treating hunters like the proverbial "Golden Goose"  where they squeeze and squeeze to get more and more.  At some point the goose stops laying and folks quit hunting.

This article appeared in the Longview Daily news  and I'm glad to see that paper recognizing the loss of hunters hurts everyone in the region.

http://tdn.com/news/local/hunters-sound-off-on-new-weyerhaeuser-land-access-fee/article_6a1ece06-6b88-11e4-ad3e-73bba99c40b4.html#utm_source=tdn.com&utm_campaign=hot-topics-2&utm_medium=direct

[Sitka_Blacktail]

Dale, you don't seem to have much sympathy for hunters affected by the access fees. But thinking about it, as someone who leases and ties up land for hunting, these fees are right up your alley and actually probably make your services more attractive to some people. In other words, you have something to gain from this trend.

But to the average hunter, this is the death knell of hunting as we know it and a turn towards a European style of hunting where only the well off can afford to hunt. Overall, hunter numbers are going to fall because of this. All businesses that support hunting are going to feel it.  When an area that supported thousands of hunters is limited to a few hundred, it's going to affect spending locally, just like the impact you place on wolves. Only this will be way bigger as hunting traditions die and most people quit caring about hunting. It's also going to reduce the base of people defending hunting from anti hunters. The less people hunt, the more irrelevant hunting will seem to the non hunting majority and VOTERS. This trend is not good for hunting as a whole.

[csaaphill]

Dale, you don't seem to have much sympathy for hunters affected by the access fees. But thinking about it, as someone who leases and ties up land for hunting, these fees are right up your alley and actually probably make your services more attractive to some people. In other words, you have something to gain from this trend.

But to the average hunter, this is the death knell of hunting as we know it and a turn towards a European style of hunting where only the well off can afford to hunt. Overall, hunter numbers are going to fall because of this. All businesses that support hunting are going to feel it.  When an area that supported thousands of hunters is limited to a few hundred, it's going to affect spending locally, just like the impact you place on wolves. Only this will be way bigger as hunting traditions die and most people quit caring about hunting. It's also going to reduce the base of people defending hunting from anti hunters. The less people hunt, the more irrelevant hunting will seem to the non hunting majority and VOTERS. This trend is not good for hunting as a whole.

exactly and what I/we seing as happening, and we should not support this at all.