Increasingly Armed Mexican Populace Preparing for Revolution?

[Special T]

I found this article to be a great read. I personally think armed revolution IS necessary in order for Mex citizens to take back thier corrupt government. I remember reading about the federalies cracking down on citizens in a border town that kicked out Narco gangs and local corrupt cops. Boy would the USA be a better safer place if Mexico was even remotely uncorrupted and safe for its citizens.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/12/robert-farago/increasingly-armed-mexican-populace-preparing-revolution/

America’s anti-gunners vilify gun owners who dare suggest that armed citizens are a bulwark against government tyranny. Maybe back in the late 1700’s, but not today. They scoff at the idea, arguing that these latter day self-styled armed American patriots wouldn’t stand a chance against the might of a modern military, should such a thing come to pass. Well it has come to pass, just across our southern border . . .

Mexico is a case study of exactly what happens to a disarmed populace faced with a tyrannical government, backed by military force.

Suffering from decades of kidnapping, rape, torture, mutilation, murder and mass murder; brutalized by drug cartels and their government enablers, Mexico’s disarmed rural populations have taken up arms in their own defense – illegally – and formed citizen militias. These autodefensas are locked in battle with vicious drug cartels, corrupt local police, the Mexican military and the recently formed faux citizens’ police force called Fuerza Rural.

[Fl0und3rz]

Tag for later, thanks.

[Crunchy]

Mexico's problems are so deep.  Need to overthrow the drug cartels somehow.  I don't think they can do it on their own. 

[stevemiller]

They can and they will if they do as they are,Its about time they took up arms against their rulers. 

Now we will see if there really is any BROWN PRIDE if any go back to help their fellow countrymen. 

[Special T]

If there ever was a time to intervene, make a show of support or anything else I think it may be time. The corruption runs so deep that it bleeds across the border into the USA. I feel for the Mexican people and hope they take thier country back... I wonder tho if their Generally Socialist mind set politically will make it impossible. I read some while back that Mexicans have Strong Liberal mindset (government takes care of us) yet the Catholic faith runs strong and deep. I personally find this to be an odd combination and wonder it it helps to keep Mexicans under corrupt leaders.

[timberfaller]

"liberal mindset" 

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/12/26/mexicans-protest-german-embassy-say-guns-used-to-kill-missing-students-were/

The they are already "infected" by the Disease!

[montana44mag]

Mexico's problems are so deep.  Need to overthrow the drug cartels somehow.  I don't think they can do it on their own.

Its our moral responsibility to stop violently controlling peoples personal lives, legalize all drugs here and abroad, and support gun, and armament rights for all peoples.

[Bean Counter]

Filipe Calderon, their past president, showed tremendous courage in his quest to take on the cartels. They have been long entrenched in the scene of law enforcement, military, politicians, and even pop culture. Don't get me wrong--I don't like him for other reasons, but all-in-all I will remember him as a man of integrity for facing the elephant in the room head on and not burying head in the sand as so many others have done.

The notion that legalizing drugs will put the cartels out of business is as silly as thinking that by having a 365 day hunting season that we can eliminate poaching. The cartels aren't on a social justice mission in their quest to bring recreational marijuana to hard working, middle class Americans so they can let their hair down on the weekend. They look for what is profitable and high stakes and then engage; violently. Several cartels, notably Los Zetas, have pushed into other violent and dangerous activities when turf was lost in the drug trade and often such other activities like human trafficking, racketeering, and prostitution. Are we going to legalize all activities in hopes that it will put the bad guys out of business?

[montana44mag]

Are we going to legalize all activities in hopes that it will put the bad guys out of business?

No, just all activities between consenting ADULTS, such as drugs, prostitution, gambling, betting, and making and trading weapons. In a free market, these would no longer be  profitable for gangs.
Then we can focus our resources on ACTUAL CRIME, such as theft, extortion, burglary, pedophilia and human slavery.
We should fully support the idea of an armed Mexican populace "cutting out the cancer" in their society.

Viva La Revolution!

[Bean Counter]

I see. If I adulterate the MILF next door, her children would be "victimless" in such a transaction. Gotcha.

[montana44mag]

I see. If I adulterate the MILF next door, her children would be "victimless" in such a transaction. Gotcha.

Really? Were you born this way? did you hit your head? How much does trolling pay these days? You type so well for being so 

Are you suggesting we use tax dollars to stop "milfs" from hooking up with the neighbors?

Way to try and de-rail a serious thread....like always.

Go back to your hole.

[Bean Counter]

...Then we can focus our resources on ACTUAL CRIME, such as theft, extortion, burglary, pedophilia and human slavery...

More "we are the world" feel good ideology that reads good on paper. Doesn't pass the smell test in the real world.

Human trafficking and child sex slavery thrives in countries where prostitution is legal.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/


"This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows.
According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The
scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market,
increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked
women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a
cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution
effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human
trafficking inflows."

... Oops 

Roll THAT in your blunt and smoke it.

[Mark Brenckle]

...Then we can focus our resources on ACTUAL CRIME, such as theft, extortion, burglary, pedophilia and human slavery...

More "we are the world" feel good ideology that reads good on paper. Doesn't pass the smell test in the real world.

Human trafficking and child sex slavery thrives in countries where prostitution is legal.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/15/legal-prostitution-and-sex-trafficking-from-the-annals-of-bad-economic-research/


"This paper investigates the impact of legalized prostitution on human trafficking inflows.
According to economic theory, there are two opposing effects of unknown magnitude. The
scale effect of legalized prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market,
increasing human trafficking, while the substitution effect reduces demand for trafficked
women as legal prostitutes are favored over trafficked ones. Our empirical analysis for a
cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution
effect. On average, countries where prostitution is legal experience larger reported human
trafficking inflows."

... Oops 

Roll THAT in your blunt and smoke it.

  Did you read the article you linked?  The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...

[farmin4u_98948]

Just got back from a 2 week vacation in Mexico... I am always amazed at how the general population is so kind and gracious to us when we are there... Quite a few of the conversations that I had with our hosts made me laugh... There observations from parenting to gun control are very thought  provoking...... BUT.... what is always shockes me is the wages.... 6 to 10 dollars per day is standard..... That is why it is so easy to bribe and influence the general population....... If i leave a 10 dollar tip to a house cleaner I have just doubled her wages for the day...................

[Bean Counter]

   Did you read the article you linked?  The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...

Yes I actually read it. The review of the study gives people a chance to appreciate the two positions and one can read for themselves both positions and make up their determination. I go with the side of empirical data more than the theoretical/esoteric. He cites his facts as "sheer implausibility" without much original research unless I missed it. In the end he also agrees that legalized prostitution is likely to increase human trafficking.

[montana44mag]

   Did you read the article you linked?  The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...

Yes I actually read it. The review of the study gives people a chance to appreciate the two positions and one can read for themselves both positions and make up their determination. I go with the side of empirical data more than the theoretical/esoteric. He cites his facts as "sheer implausibility" without much original research unless I missed it. In the end he also agrees that legalized prostitution is likely to increase human trafficking.

Even if that study were correct, which I highly doubt,  (look at Nevada) its disgusting and immoral to put public tax dollars (which we dont have)and guns into peoples bedrooms, I cant believe in 2014 there are still literate people who want to point guns at consenting ADULTS having sex!   Its this kind of perverse idea that we can use violence to control peoples personal lives that makes huge black markets where crime thrives, in FACT its usually the perpetrators who want more control laws to increase profit margins.

[Bean Counter]

Nevada would make for an interesting study. On one hand with an international airport at its heels as well as relative proximity to a third world country, Im guessing there are at least some held in involuntary servitude. On the other hand I know for a fact that there are a lot of female students funding an entire course of study at University of Arizona and ASU by boarding flights every weekend like clockwork to work as "cocktail waitresses" i n Sin City and return to their studies by Monday morning.

To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on. I think a lot of the benefit of keeping certain vices prohibited is simply what we avoid when they are legal, so in the case of prostitution that would mean more illegal sex trade and immigration, or in the case of marijuana it spells more teenage use (which will have deleterious effect over the course of their whole life), risks of introducing more hard narcotics (the so called 'gateway' effect), lost worker productivity, danger from abuse by users in critical industries, as well cartels branching into more nefarious activities to recover lost income. In many cases I don't support the average toker or John going to jail but I tout the benefits of prosecutorial discretion when no other charges can be levied. I haven't heard of anybody going to jail or prison for being caught with a dime bag and wasn't up to anything else, especially on their first offense. 

[montana44mag]

To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on.

Well yes of course, its the threat of deadly force (a violent act) which makes it possible to kick in the door of 2 adults and kidnap them,  take their time and money from them, all while subjecting them to a diet that most would consider torture and surrounding them with actual criminals like pedos and killers.
It dosent need to be "the gun in the room" that imposes the violence either, this is only the newest in a long line of weapons used to threaten people.
 Swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears have all been used to attempt to change human behavior.
Of course not all forms of violence are bad either, shooting a burglar or murderer or stopping an arson, theft, or other property crime are heroic acts of defensive violence, which are generally supported by thinkers and philosophers throughout time.

perhaps a review on the philosophy of liberty would serve us good at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

[Bean Counter]

To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on.

Well yes of course, its the threat of deadly force (a violent act) which makes it possible to kick in the door of 2 adults and kidnap them,  take their time and money from them, all while subjecting them to a diet that most would consider torture and surrounding them with actual criminals like pedos and killers.

Interesting word play. There are "actual criminals" and what? "pseudo criminals?" These are no longer decided by the legislative process and interpreted (and sometimes appropriately struck down) by the judicial process and now decided by ... you?

It dosent need to be "the gun in the room" that imposes the violence either, this is only the newest in a long line of weapons used to threaten people.
 Swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears have all been used to attempt to change human behavior.

Yep. thank God.

I very much appreciate state patrol using their swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears to 'take away your freedom' to speed 90 miles per hour down the freeway. I very much appreciate the IRS-CID suing their swords, whips, fists, and spears to arrest those who aren't paying their taxes as long as I am. I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

Those may or may not qualify for your divine approval of 'actual crimes.'

Of course not all forms of violence are bad either, shooting a burglar or murderer or stopping an arson, theft, or other property crime are heroic acts of defensive violence, which are generally supported by thinkers and philosophers throughout time.

So if I understand your position correct--one has to directly be hurting another person in order for it to be an "actual crime"?

Well if you'll excuse me I'm off to go spotlight and shoot some deer out of season..

perhaps a review on the philosophy of liberty would serve us good at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

I watched about half that. Not sure where the author claims his authority. The Framers claimed their authority from Almighty God in accordance with natural law.

[montana44mag]

 I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

 Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?

[montana44mag]

I watched about half that. Not sure where the author claims his authority. The Framers claimed their authority from Almighty God in accordance with natural law.

That video is a description of natural law and is one of the most "Jeffersonian" productions Ive ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

I'd like to hear what some Hispanic and Latino peoples have to say about their concept of personal liberty.

[Bean Counter]

I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?

Wow that's a very telling statement... Fighting in a war = murder.  Keep running your mouth, please.

My children are imbued with a sense of patriotism and national pride from youth and therefore know better. We don't pledge allegiance to a political party or even a president. We pledge allegiance to our flag. This is our glorious legacy that differs vastly from that of most nations the world has seen rise and fall. Maybe you have forgotten or never learned that.

[montana44mag]

I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?

Wow that's a very telling statement... Fighting in a war = murder.  Keep running your mouth, please.

My children are imbued with a sense of patriotism and national pride from youth and therefore know better. We don't pledge allegiance to a political party or even a president. We pledge allegiance to our flag. This is our glorious legacy that differs vastly from that of most nations the world has seen rise and fall. Maybe you have forgotten or never learned that.

Yeah, I remember the Vietnamese were about to take over America, real self defense there. I guess you think Vietnam was worth it? I guess we'll never agree on anything except loving this country and eating backstraps. You better believe if there were a war on OUR soil, Id fight to the death if need be...that's what people do when you invade their homeland.

That whole Gulf of Tonkin thing was sketchy at best as well.
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/world198_4.html
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/tapes.htm

[Bean Counter]

I guess we'll never agree on anything except loving this country and eating backstraps.

That's a start, boss. Happy New Year to ya.

[montana44mag]

  you too!   If the SHTF I still got your back