Increasingly Armed Mexican Populace Preparing for Revolution?

[montana44mag]

   Did you read the article you linked?  The quote you pasted is a quote from a study that the article is saying was a crappy study...

Yes I actually read it. The review of the study gives people a chance to appreciate the two positions and one can read for themselves both positions and make up their determination. I go with the side of empirical data more than the theoretical/esoteric. He cites his facts as "sheer implausibility" without much original research unless I missed it. In the end he also agrees that legalized prostitution is likely to increase human trafficking.

Even if that study were correct, which I highly doubt,  (look at Nevada) its disgusting and immoral to put public tax dollars (which we dont have)and guns into peoples bedrooms, I cant believe in 2014 there are still literate people who want to point guns at consenting ADULTS having sex!   Its this kind of perverse idea that we can use violence to control peoples personal lives that makes huge black markets where crime thrives, in FACT its usually the perpetrators who want more control laws to increase profit margins.

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Nevada would make for an interesting study. On one hand with an international airport at its heels as well as relative proximity to a third world country, Im guessing there are at least some held in involuntary servitude. On the other hand I know for a fact that there are a lot of female students funding an entire course of study at University of Arizona and ASU by boarding flights every weekend like clockwork to work as "cocktail waitresses" i n Sin City and return to their studies by Monday morning.

To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on. I think a lot of the benefit of keeping certain vices prohibited is simply what we avoid when they are legal, so in the case of prostitution that would mean more illegal sex trade and immigration, or in the case of marijuana it spells more teenage use (which will have deleterious effect over the course of their whole life), risks of introducing more hard narcotics (the so called 'gateway' effect), lost worker productivity, danger from abuse by users in critical industries, as well cartels branching into more nefarious activities to recover lost income. In many cases I don't support the average toker or John going to jail but I tout the benefits of prosecutorial discretion when no other charges can be levied. I haven't heard of anybody going to jail or prison for being caught with a dime bag and wasn't up to anything else, especially on their first offense. 

[montana44mag]

To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on.

Well yes of course, its the threat of deadly force (a violent act) which makes it possible to kick in the door of 2 adults and kidnap them,  take their time and money from them, all while subjecting them to a diet that most would consider torture and surrounding them with actual criminals like pedos and killers.
It dosent need to be "the gun in the room" that imposes the violence either, this is only the newest in a long line of weapons used to threaten people.
 Swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears have all been used to attempt to change human behavior.
Of course not all forms of violence are bad either, shooting a burglar or murderer or stopping an arson, theft, or other property crime are heroic acts of defensive violence, which are generally supported by thinkers and philosophers throughout time.

perhaps a review on the philosophy of liberty would serve us good at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

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To me its not so much about "pointing guns at people" as you seem very fixated on.

Well yes of course, its the threat of deadly force (a violent act) which makes it possible to kick in the door of 2 adults and kidnap them,  take their time and money from them, all while subjecting them to a diet that most would consider torture and surrounding them with actual criminals like pedos and killers.

Interesting word play. There are "actual criminals" and what? "pseudo criminals?" These are no longer decided by the legislative process and interpreted (and sometimes appropriately struck down) by the judicial process and now decided by ... you?

It dosent need to be "the gun in the room" that imposes the violence either, this is only the newest in a long line of weapons used to threaten people.
 Swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears have all been used to attempt to change human behavior.

Yep. thank God.

I very much appreciate state patrol using their swords, whips, stones, fists, and spears to 'take away your freedom' to speed 90 miles per hour down the freeway. I very much appreciate the IRS-CID suing their swords, whips, fists, and spears to arrest those who aren't paying their taxes as long as I am. I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

Those may or may not qualify for your divine approval of 'actual crimes.'

Of course not all forms of violence are bad either, shooting a burglar or murderer or stopping an arson, theft, or other property crime are heroic acts of defensive violence, which are generally supported by thinkers and philosophers throughout time.

So if I understand your position correct--one has to directly be hurting another person in order for it to be an "actual crime"?

Well if you'll excuse me I'm off to go spotlight and shoot some deer out of season..

perhaps a review on the philosophy of liberty would serve us good at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

I watched about half that. Not sure where the author claims his authority. The Framers claimed their authority from Almighty God in accordance with natural law.

[montana44mag]

 I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

 Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?

[montana44mag]

I watched about half that. Not sure where the author claims his authority. The Framers claimed their authority from Almighty God in accordance with natural law.

That video is a description of natural law and is one of the most "Jeffersonian" productions Ive ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muHg86Mys7I

I'd like to hear what some Hispanic and Latino peoples have to say about their concept of personal liberty.

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I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?

Wow that's a very telling statement... Fighting in a war = murder.  Keep running your mouth, please.

My children are imbued with a sense of patriotism and national pride from youth and therefore know better. We don't pledge allegiance to a political party or even a president. We pledge allegiance to our flag. This is our glorious legacy that differs vastly from that of most nations the world has seen rise and fall. Maybe you have forgotten or never learned that.

[montana44mag]

I appreciate the military tribunal that would take away the liberty of those who would dodge a draft if I am marching my sons off to war..

Even if it were your own son who was refusing to kill people? Or to die for something he didn't believe in? You would force your child to murder?

Wow that's a very telling statement... Fighting in a war = murder.  Keep running your mouth, please.

My children are imbued with a sense of patriotism and national pride from youth and therefore know better. We don't pledge allegiance to a political party or even a president. We pledge allegiance to our flag. This is our glorious legacy that differs vastly from that of most nations the world has seen rise and fall. Maybe you have forgotten or never learned that.

Yeah, I remember the Vietnamese were about to take over America, real self defense there. I guess you think Vietnam was worth it? I guess we'll never agree on anything except loving this country and eating backstraps. You better believe if there were a war on OUR soil, Id fight to the death if need be...that's what people do when you invade their homeland.

That whole Gulf of Tonkin thing was sketchy at best as well.
http://vi.uh.edu/pages/buzzmat/world198_4.html
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/tapes.htm

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I guess we'll never agree on anything except loving this country and eating backstraps.

That's a start, boss. Happy New Year to ya.

[montana44mag]

  you too!   If the SHTF I still got your back