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Re: Is it just me? DNR land question
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2014, 11:18:29 PM »
To the OP I think you just need to go a little farther inside the timber. borders do seem to have lots of blow down but if you go 50 yards or so inside the cuts edge it normally clears up some.  :twocents:

I know that in the SE GMU they spray and burn/stack slash more than up here in the 407. I think up here they do it for soil erosion prevention, down south they worry more about fire. Up north we have a VERY small fire season by comparison.
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Re: Is it just me? DNR land question
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2015, 01:16:34 AM »
Sounds to me like you got into an area of slash/release work.  The DNR contracts companies out to get the unit down to around 300 trees per acre (TPA).  That is about a 12 foot spacing between trees.  When you are in an area where alder was planted, normally at 600 TPA, which I believe is the standard planting, then around the six year mark, they go in and remove half of the trees.  The initial heavy planting helps the trees grow up rather than branch out.  After six years, they are big enough that an adjacent tree 12 feet away will provide enough shade to keep them going up rather than produce low branches.  The release treatment allows the fastest growth of the alder plantations and stops fir plantations from being overtopped by alder, which ultimately will kill the fir trees.

On fir planted units, DNR uses the same spacing but leaves an alder (if available) when slash/release treatments are performed.   We all know how effective alder is at overtaking a clearcut.  Six year post-planting, that leaves a lot of dead six inch alder laying around.  If you want to hunt these spots, look for the trails through the slash or work the edges.  Forget trying to walk through that stuff.  I think the deer still use the area extensively, at least based on the trails I see through the slash.

I believe the private timber companies use more herbicides intended to kill alder at a younger age.  Weyco lands are incredibly barren of alder and brush until the fir are well established.  Brown and dead - everywhere.  They seem to have special cocktails of 2-4D and Glyphosate (round up) herbicides that kill alder extremely well while only causing minor damage to the fir plantation.  It seem to make for a lot easier hunting down the road too. 

That's my guess about what you are experiencing.  Thankfully, the alder rots incredibly quick.  5 - 8 years of ground contact and that stuff will literally melt into the forest floor.
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Re: Is it just me? DNR land question
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2015, 09:15:46 AM »
To the OP I think you just need to go a little farther inside the timber. borders do seem to have lots of blow down but if you go 50 yards or so inside the cuts edge it normally clears up some.  :twocents:

This is true. But not in this spot. haha. We tried, and as we were walking through slash and knee to waist high blowdown inside the timber and not seeing an ounce of deer sign we said NOPE and bailed out.
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Re: Is it just me? DNR land question
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2015, 09:20:45 AM »
fishnfur,

That's some good info there. The cut was full of spaced out Christmas trees of some kind that were 3-4' tall. didn't really pay attention to species. Now that I think back they were probably somewhere in the neighborhood of ten plus feet apart.
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Re: Is it just me? DNR land question
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2015, 09:44:58 AM »
Thank you spotted owl. You have ruined everything imo.


Not sure you can blame anything where the trees are actually cut on the Spotted Owls...?   :chuckle:
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Re: Is it just me? DNR land question
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2015, 02:59:35 PM »
Thank you spotted owl. You have ruined everything imo.


Not sure you can blame anything where the trees are actually cut on the Spotted Owls...?   :chuckle:

That's what I was thinking. I don't know the whole story, but I thought the issue with Spotted Owls was that people, especially the feds, no long cut big timber in giant swaths?

 


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