Please Do Not Hunt BC, Canada

[BCRESIDENTHUNTER]

I really appreciate all of your insight.  I'm quite surprised with how well versed you are in what is going on up here.  To comment on a few posts, with respect to guide ownership:

-A couple years ago the province allowed outfitters to be owned by non-BC residents (as they had to be prior), and in fact they could then be owned by international businesses, and I have heard that a number of them are owned by US companies (I haven't seen the actual numbers on this).  There are quite a few of these outfitters listed for sale, and the sale price appears to me to be heavily impacted by the quota that each Outfitter has, rather than  the success rate.  A few people on the Hunting BC forum have speculated that this might be behind the big push for an immediate quota increase - guys are looking to do anything they can to bump up the sale price of their business.

On hunting sentiment here in BC:
-it's a really interesting time for hunting here.  There is actually a huge uptake in our sport with 20, 30 and 40 year old urban (hipsters?) people looking for an ethical source for meat.  Resident hunting has increased substantially over the last 10 years.  At the same time, there is really a lot of push against the grizzly hunt in particular.  There has been a ton of grizzly/human conflicts across the province in the last few years, and I feel this is related to a multi-generational complacency with humans.



 

[birddogdad]

will only get worse as long as high dollar revenues are driving the allowed processes. did a post a while back researching a BC elk hunt through a recommended outfitter, ultimately calculated costing around 20K after all fees are paid to all parties including a several thousand $$ trophy fee to BC after harvest. That is out of range for most blue collar hunters and is driven by those who can pay. I get outfitters need to earn a living but pay to play over the top fees have always rubbed me wrong for some reason. 

 resident / non resident really is never going away. this theme is no different than any major high roller who can afford to,  traveling the lower 48 drawing tags and shooting OIL game in several states, on several TV shows. The system allows paying to play and until that is restricted, its only going to get worse my border friend.....

[Special T]

Snow skiied with a dentist from Pemberton up at whistler... An American that married a Canadian. We talked hunting on the lift... He said it was a culture shock it was OK to shoot deer but the black bears were everyones pet and you could get yourself in some deep ($^!*) if people found out....

[WAcoueshunter]

As NR's, we regularly whine when States put on NR caps and then again when they lower those caps.  Appears BC is moving the other direction.  I feel for the residents, but it would be hypocritical for us to root against something that makes it easier and less expensive for us to go hunting in BC. 

Think of it this way - you can go on a moose hunt right across the border in the Selkirk and Monashee mountains.  If there are suddenly 4x as many moose tags available to NRs, what is that going to do from a supply and demand perspective? 

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I feel for the residents, but it would be hypocritical for us to root against something that makes it easier and less expensive for us to go hunting in BC. 

Why would that be? I have no desire to hunt anywhere if it takes away from the opportunity of the locals to hunt.

[kentrek]

Just wait till that happens in Washington.....especially over in those eastern elk units

I bet people would sing a different tune and the op would be chuckling some joke about karma

[WAcoueshunter]

I feel for the residents, but it would be hypocritical for us to root against something that makes it easier and less expensive for us to go hunting in BC. 

Why would that be? I have no desire to hunt anywhere if it takes away from the opportunity of the locals to hunt.

Non resident caps add to the opportunities for residents because NRs are allowed fewer of the available tags.  Taking away or liberalizing the NR cap has the opposite effect - more tags available for NRs, fewer for residents.

[montana44mag]

Isnt this how most of the "commonwealth" is? This is what happens to slaves and disarmed people who give up their arms willingly. You folks need to water your liberty tree, and get that monarchious hag off your money.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I feel for the residents, but it would be hypocritical for us to root against something that makes it easier and less expensive for us to go hunting in BC. 

Why would that be? I have no desire to hunt anywhere if it takes away from the opportunity of the locals to hunt.

Non resident caps add to the opportunities for residents because NRs are allowed fewer of the available tags.  Taking away or liberalizing the NR cap has the opposite effect - more tags available for NRs, fewer for residents.

No, why would it be hypocritical to root against it? Just because it might give me better opportunity doesn't make it right.

[pd]

Isnt this how most of the "commonwealth" is? This is what happens to slaves and disarmed people who give up their arms willingly. You folks need to water your liberty tree, and get that monarchious hag off your money.

 

Whoa there, Cowboy.  Consider the sharpness of those words you throw at your own neighbor.  I understand your displeasure regarding trends in Canada's gun control laws, but leave the their head of state out of the discussion, please.  To be a republic or not is their sovereign decision.  For what it is worth, the Crown has no ties to crown lands anymore.

[WAcoueshunter]

No, why would it be hypocritical to root against it? Just because it might give me better opportunity doesn't make it right.

Certainly there are lots of things that would give us better opportunity, but that doesn't make them right.  I'm saying in this case, it would be hypocritical for those of us (me included) that complain about NR caps to not cheer when it goes the other way.
 
Some don't mind NR caps and/or don't hunt those States that have them.  I do, and do.  It bugs me that the only way I can ever hunt the Strip (federal land) is to (i) pay $250K for the AZ governor's tag, or (ii) move to Arizona.  In New Mexico (also largely federal land), it bugs me that they stick it to the DIY non resident in favor of residents and guided hunters.  For that reason, I can't complain about a place making it more friendly for NRs. 

[montana44mag]

Isnt this how most of the "commonwealth" is? This is what happens to slaves and disarmed people who give up their arms willingly. You folks need to water your liberty tree, and get that monarchious hag off your money.

 

Whoa there, Cowboy.  the Crown has no ties to crown lands anymore.

I think its alot more complicated than that mainstream talk point. Also it appears in their constitution, she can overturn anything she wants but rarely does. 
 If these people wont even fight for the basic human right of fashioning and carrying weapons for self defense and defense of another, how could we expect something like hunting rights or even freedom of speech to last?  Canada is the liberal agenda "on steroids". I hope I'm wrong and some how Liberty finds a way to prevail there, as Im more suited to cold weather anyways. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1
http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/15996/does-queen-elizabeth-ii-own-6-600-million-acres-of-land
http://www.whoownstheworld.com/about-the-book/largest-landowner

[Special T]

There isnt freedom of speech in BC. At least not it the way We think about it here in the USA. A radio Program is censored in BC that is broadcast many places here... Not to mention that you can be liable for saying things that are anti minority. (Gay Muslim etc)

[fair-chase]

You guys may want to update your old philosophies of Canada not being "free". By most measurable accounts it is more free than the United States. I don't care for many of their polocies, but as Americans, we can no longer sit on our high horse and lecture about freedom. The United States is loosing freedom (both personal and economic) at an alarming rate and will likely never return to the top spot in our lifetime.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

http://prosperity.com/#!/ranking

[Bean Counter]

There isnt freedom of speech in BC. At least not it the way We think about it here in the USA. A radio Program is censored in BC that is broadcast many places here... Not to mention that you can be liable for saying things that are anti minority. (Gay Muslim etc)

  Gay Muslims in Canada, eh? This I have to see!