Bill calls for relocating wolves to Cascades, Western Wash.

[Rainier10]

The "SSS" stuff really worries me about this.  Wolves are here to stay and the biggest delay to them getting managed is the breeding pairs being established for "x" amount of time.  I believe that once they have the breeding pairs in all areas the clock starts ticking. If one of those breeding pairs gets taken out, SSS or even natural causes, then they have to wait until they have recovered that many breeding pairs and the clock starts over.

I can see a scenario where they get a breeding pair on the west side, it is established for two years and someone takes the pair out and it resets the countdown clock until there is another breeding pair established.

WDFW are dragging wolf delisting out, SSS etc. won't change the outcome, the only thing it will do is save some wildlife in that area until the next pack moves in.

The saying that wolves are here to stay is true, it is also true that the only wolf management for WA, will have to come from the public.

Exactly and if "legal" controlled hunting by the public is delayed because of illegal acts that would be a bad thing.  The NE is getting pummeled by the wolves and the longer it takes to get to legal hunting the worse off they are.  I am not in favor of relocating to get to legal hunting but I am definitely against poaching no matter how I feel about the animal being poached.

If someone doesn't like the rule they need to change it not break it.

[Curly]

People are mistaken if they think we will ever get legal wolf hunting in this state.  You know there will be a voter initiative the minute a wolf season is getting talked about.......and we all can guess how the stupid voters in this state will vote.

[wolfbait]

The "SSS" stuff really worries me about this.  Wolves are here to stay and the biggest delay to them getting managed is the breeding pairs being established for "x" amount of time.  I believe that once they have the breeding pairs in all areas the clock starts ticking. If one of those breeding pairs gets taken out, SSS or even natural causes, then they have to wait until they have recovered that many breeding pairs and the clock starts over.

I can see a scenario where they get a breeding pair on the west side, it is established for two years and someone takes the pair out and it resets the countdown clock until there is another breeding pair established.

WDFW are dragging wolf delisting out, SSS etc. won't change the outcome, the only thing it will do is save some wildlife in that area until the next pack moves in.

The saying that wolves are here to stay is true, it is also true that the only wolf management for WA, will have to come from the public.

Exactly and if "legal" controlled hunting by the public is delayed because of illegal acts that would be a bad thing.  The NE is getting pummeled by the wolves and the longer it takes to get to legal hunting the worse off they are.  I am not in favor of relocating to get to legal hunting but I am definitely against poaching no matter how I feel about the animal being poached.

If someone doesn't like the rule they need to change it not break it.

There's no need for any wolf relocating as wolves are throughout WA now, there is a need for some BP's/packs to be confirmed, that won't happen until WDFW decide the wolves have done enough damage, or they are finally forced to confirm.

[ghosthunter]

I'm not sure they could find them in a locked barn!!!

My insurance agent told me 2 years ago she saw some wolves in "BOXES" in the back of a WDFW truck in downtown Republic. She couldn't believe it. I questioned her and she said they are hunters and knew what they were. They don't transplant coyotes.....well, maybe this WDFW does.

Nate Pamplin addressed this in front of 500 Hunter Ed instructors this past weekend.

He said that the State of Washington WDFW has never transported wolves into the state. He said it simply was not cost effective. He said there was no need to bring wolves in because the wolves were bringing themselves at a 6% increase last year.

[Rainier10]

I'm not sure they could find them in a locked barn!!!

My insurance agent told me 2 years ago she saw some wolves in "BOXES" in the back of a WDFW truck in downtown Republic. She couldn't believe it. I questioned her and she said they are hunters and knew what they were. They don't transplant coyotes.....well, maybe this WDFW does.

Nate Pamplin addressed this in front of 500 Hunter Ed instructors this past weekend.

He said that the State of Washington WDFW has never transported wolves into the state. He said it simply was not cost effective. He said there was no need to bring wolves in because the wolves were bringing themselves at a 6% increase last year.

We know they are mobile, a collared wolf made it all the way to California for heavens sake.

I think he said they were reproducing at a 30% rate, wolf health is doing fine. 

One really important thing he said was that it is vital for people to report sightings on the WDFW site.  One report on road x from 5 years ago is irrelevant.  3 reports on road Y or that general area in a one month period is worth them investigating and confirming.  As soon as they are confirmed the clock starts ticking towards management unless some vigilante takes out a breeding pair.  Then the pair has to be reconfirmed and the clock starts at zero again.

[rim_runner]

Unethical go hug a wolf. I am so sick of this crap we just accept what the government lefties shove down our throats. People need to have a backbone and a pair.

anytime I've seen someone keep trying to get others to commit an unethical act it's because they don't have the nerve to do it themselves or they are trying to get someone else in trouble. So which of the two is it for you?
 

[Curly]

Is SSS unethical or is it just illegal?    Some people might say it's unethical NOT to shoot a wolf.    Ethics is doing what is right and the law doesn't always align with what's right.

I do know that SSS should probably not be talked about.......at least not on the internet. 

[rim_runner]

Is SSS unethical or is it just illegal?    Some people might say it's unethical NOT to shoot a wolf.    Ethics is doing what is right and the law doesn't always align with what's right.

I do know that SSS should probably not be talked about.......at least not on the internet. 

Shooting a wolf is one thing. Using magic meatballs certainly doesn't fall into the ethics of a clean kill by anyone's standard. 

[BOWHUNTER45]

Lmao ..Magic Meatballs ,,,I like when people do not show they are trying to kiss WDFW AND ALL THOSE GREENIES BUTTS .. Speak as you please .. Way anyone would want to even make them think you agree with them  This state needs a serious eye opener ..putting wolves in this state is like putting a pack of Muskies in Lake Roosevelt ... or are they there already 

[Curly]

Is SSS unethical or is it just illegal?    Some people might say it's unethical NOT to shoot a wolf.    Ethics is doing what is right and the law doesn't always align with what's right.

I do know that SSS should probably not be talked about.......at least not on the internet. 

Shooting a wolf is one thing. Using magic meatballs certainly doesn't fall into the ethics of a clean kill by anyone's standard.

Agreed.

[wolfbait]

This state has around 100 wolves 10,000 dollar fine for killing a wolve that's a million dollars in fines assume every wolve that was killed was convicted. A million dollars is a drop in the bucket. 1000 people willing to donate 1000 dollars to getting rid of wolves. The 1000 dollars may even be tax deductible if structured property.

Hate to burst your bubble but, in 2010 WA had well over a 100 wolves and at this point SSS will not work, it might help out the game herds in that area until another pack moved in or WDFW released some more in the area.

Basically WA is screwed and has been for a long time, now we have the USFWS and WDFW and their partnered environmentalists promoting G.bear recovery which is just another tool for shutting down roads etc..

Use the fish to take water rights, spotted owl to shut down logging, the wolves to stop hunting, and the bears to close off roads, the only thing left is to lock the land in Wilderness etc..

All the while hunters, fisherman, outdoor recreational folks can't seem to come together on one single issue long enough to see the end results of doing nothing.

Lets not forget the plants on these forums who are there to disrupt any progress that might be occurring.

And the topic today is what's ethical, or ethic? I guess if you live in a wolf free zone and idolized wolves then ethics probably does come into play, if you live in a wolf infested zone and are seeing your livestock killed off, not so much.

[CAMPMEAT]

If the state has 100 wolves, my area has 20 of them. All being sighted since October 2014, within 10 miles of here.

[rim_runner]

This state has around 100 wolves 10,000 dollar fine for killing a wolve that's a million dollars in fines assume every wolve that was killed was convicted. A million dollars is a drop in the bucket. 1000 people willing to donate 1000 dollars to getting rid of wolves. The 1000 dollars may even be tax deductible if structured property.

So how many thousands have you donated? Or are you once more trying to get others to do what you won't. Why are you putting so much effort into making hunters look bad?

[rim_runner]

I am more than willing to donate to good causes

you're also willing to provide the anti-hunters with ammo to use on us hunters.

[rim_runner]

I understand where your coming from but I don't think it really matter s God bless the constitution.

You’re wrong! It’s not the hunters or the anti-hunters who will decide the fate of hunting. It’s the non-hunters who have the number of votes to decide this. The anti-hunters understand this and they are constantly trying to portray us to the non-hunters in the worse possible light. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see your comments copied to an anti-hunting site suggesting that this proves all hunters have no regard for ethics or any qualms about causing an animal to suffer needlessly.