What do you all think of this?

[bearpaw]

I watched the video again and must disagree, the cop interrupted a citizen legally carrying a firearm and the citizen did not escalate his voice at all until the cop grabbed his rifle. The cop was intent on taking the gun before he had any idea the guy might raise his voice.

This same situation could have happened to any one of us if this cop pulled up wjile we were carrying the gun. This situation likely would have never happened if the cop didn't grab the gun.

Considering some of the bad cops that are out there with out of control egos, I think cops should all be checked in situations like this to determine if they are capable of professionally handling the situation, if not, they shouldn't be a cop. This cop failed the test and escalated a legal carry into an arrest.

The germans allowed these same type of tactics by Nazis and then one day their rights were gone and a madman controlled their country!

[grundy53]

To all the folks who say it's his fault. "He was looking for it". That is like saying a rape victim was asking for it because of the way she was dressed. Both are b.s. If the cop wants him de-armed then he should ask the guy to voluntarily surrender his rifle until after the cop checks him out.
I'm all for officer safety but it doesn't give him a right to ignore the law/ constitution.

[Skillet]

"What do you  all think of this?"

Two things.

#1.  I think the cop looks like a young Mike Holmgren.

#2.  I think that as much of a instigator that the guy appears to be, that our young Mike Holmgren here took the bait and needlessly escalated the situation.  Of the two, young Mike Holmgren is supposed to be the professional here. That's why we entrust police with the powers that we do.  Unfortunately, it looks like young Mike Holmgren is unworthy of that trust.

[grundy53]

I watched the video again and must disagree, the cop interrupted a citizen legally carrying a firearm and the citizen did not escalate his voice at all until the cop grabbed his rifle. The cop was intent on taking the gun before he had any idea the guy might raise his voice.

This same situation could have happened to any one of us if this cop pulled up wjile we were carrying the gun. This situation likely would have never happened if the cop didn't grab the gun.

Considering some of the bad cops that are out there with out of control egos, I think cops should all be checked in situations like this to determine if they are capable of professionally handling the situation, if not, they shouldn't be a cop. This cop failed the test and escalated a legal carry into an arrest.

The germans allowed these same type of tactics by Nazis and then one day their rights were gone and a madman controlled their country!

[h20hunter]

I've openly carried side arms as well as my AR...and my AK for that matter. The difference is the time and place I have chosen to do so.

I don't disagree Mud that the Constitution means less and less....heck Obahma care and the ACA act is about as clear of an example as it gets.

Dale, good points and since mine is only opinion I can't assume I'm right and appreciate your points. Just so that doesn't sound to butt kissing I'll say C-POST!

Well done Skillet.

Don't care for the rape analogy but I'll agree Grundy...he could have asked the man to surrender his weapon up front.

[bearpaw]

To all the folks who say it's his fault. "He was looking for it". That is like saying a rape victim was asking for it because of the way she was dressed. Both are b.s. If the cop wants him de-armed then he should ask the guy to voluntarily surrender his rifle until after the cop checks him out.
I'm all for officer safety but it doesn't give him a right to ignore the law/ constitution.

thankyou

"What do you  all think of this?"

Two things.

#1.  I think the cop looks like a young Mike Holmgren.

#2.  I think that as much of a instigator that the guy appears to be, that our young Mike Holmgren here took the bait and needlessly escalated the situation.  Of the two, young Mike Holmgren is supposed to be the professional here. That's why we entrust police with the powers that we do.  Unfortunately, it looks like young Mike Holmgren is unworthy of that trust.

exactly

I've openly carried side arms as well as my AR...and my AK for that matter. The difference is the time and place I have chosen to do so.

I don't disagree Mud that the Constitution means less and less....heck Obahma care and the ACA act is about as clear of an example as it gets.

Dale, good points and since mine is only opinion I can't assume I'm right and appreciate your points. Just so that doesn't sound to butt kissing I'll say C-POST!

Well done Skillet.

Don't care for the rape analogy but I'll agree Grundy...he could have asked the man to surrender his weapon up front.

I wasn't aware that constitutional rights had a time and place. 

[grundy53]

I've openly carried side arms as well as my AR...and my AK for that matter. The difference is the time and place I have chosen to do so.

I don't disagree Mud that the Constitution means less and less....heck Obahma care and the ACA act is about as clear of an example as it gets.

Dale, good points and since mine is only opinion I can't assume I'm right and appreciate your points. Just so that doesn't sound to butt kissing I'll say C-POST!

Well done Skillet.

Don't care for the rape analogy but I'll agree Grundy...he could have asked the man to surrender his weapon up front.

I don't care for it much either... doesn't mean it's wrong. Both situations are horrible to me.

[h20hunter]

They don't of course. I would simply say that I don't choose to force the issue in areas that will cause a conflict for the sake of creating a confrontation.

[bearpaw]

I have to wonder what would have happened in the court and media if the citizen was a black man?

[h20hunter]

The Rev would all over it....major S storm. Media doesn't care because he's white, a Vet (sad as that is), and he had a big bad gun.

[grundy53]

I agree with you h20. I also agree this guy is a tool. However this is is about our rights as a whole not the this guys immature (but legal) actions.

[h20hunter]

Yep. The problem is....and I'm an example....is I often see the tool first and focus on them. I think everytime a toolshed does this stuff it simply gives the wrong impression, paints us all in a bad light, and is just another example that is used to further restrict our rights.

[grundy53]

I totally agree. These actions hurt our cause.

[bearpaw]

I totally agree. These actions hurt our cause.

I guess I see it a little differently, I think this guy has brought awareness to thousands of Americans?

[jrebel]

Officer, "what are you guys up to?"

Hiker, "Hiking and getting my son his badge for boyscouts."

Officer, "cool...just checking because we had reports of a couple walking down the road with firearms.  Do me a favor and don't touch firearm while we are talking."  "Mind if I check a few things out so you guys can get back to your hike?"

Hiker, "Sure."

Officer runs the mans name to make sure all is on the up and up and they are on their way in a matter of 60 seconds. 

Done....win win. 




Instead, the officer touches the firearm and trys to take it before really even ascertaining what was going on.  For all the officer knows the two were walking to their next coyote set.

Hiker very easily could have done things differently too.  Maybe comply to make the officer feel safe.  After everything is worked out the officer would have given the rifle back.  Really would have been a non issue. 

I think people forget that officers are hated by criminals....and officers unfortunately don't know who all the criminals are.   They don't have the luxury to wait until they are wrong to secure the scene.  At that point bullets are flying and they are dead.