Nature Conservancy Hoh River Land Buy

[JimmyHoffa]

http://www.forksforum.com/news/298184191.html

Figured some on here may be interested in this.  They've been buying land from Rayonier along rivers trying to build corridors between segments of the national park.  The article says hunting is allowed.  When I've checked the TNC website for previous purchases, it was very vague, saying you had to contact their local manager.  Could never get info from the managers to confirm.  Anyways, it would be free access compared to the pay per play of Rayonier.
And I've heard (conspiracy theory?) that they are buying land adjacent to the park/corridors so that they can sell to the park next time there is a big push for the park to acquire land from willing sellers for an expansion.  Short term gain/long term loss (for hunting)? 

[Knocker of rocks]

Free market at work.

I don't know when the last time western National Parks added to their ownership by buying large blocks of private land outside of inholdings.  I would bet it was before I was born while Ike was President.

In fact, I bet Ike was a Major when it last happened.

[bobcat]

A large chunk of land along the Queets River is currently in the process of being purchased by the DNR from the Nature Conservancy. Maybe they have the same plan for that land as well.

[ouchfoss]

They've been buying up river corridor land on the Clearwater for the last several years. So far, they havent gated it up or dug roads up yet and the other day I noticed they actually went in and thinned all the small reprod in several units. I know several people who live in Clearwater and they are all afraid of Nature Conservancy selling out to the Park in the future once they buy up enough land. I guess they actually had a meeting with the majority of residents up there and they all told Nature Conservancy that if they plan to sell to the park, they will not be welcome up there and will create many enemies. Supposedly, they said they will not sell to the park, but time will tell. Different organizations have been trying to set aside, and preserve, and take away our land out here for as long as I can remember. Wild Olympics is the latest one. Don't drink their Koolaid!

[Knocker of rocks]

Different organizations have been trying to set aside, and preserve, and take away our land out here for as long as I can remember. Wild Olympics is the latest one. Don't drink their Koolaid!

I doubt it's "your" (our) land the Nature Conservancy is buying up.  They are buying land from other private land holders. 

Again, where is the evidence they're going to sell to the park?  The locals are free to buy the land also

[timberfaller]

Ya just gotta love all those groups with "sweet" sounding names

Nature Conservancy
Bio-Diversity
People for a Sustainable...(where ever)
The American Way
The United Way

Just to name a select few of MANY!

Don't look at what they DO, LOOK and find out WHO they are and their "hidden agendas"!!

"locals" don't have a chance at buying what these people do.  The "members" of just the above groups are funded heavily by the super rich(tax write offs)and leave it up to sheep to acquire what they can.  Both in real estate and Money and EPA agenda's(under the radar).

[bobcat]

I'm a big fan of the Nature Conservancy. They are able to protect a lot of land that is very important fish and wildlife habitat, and on much of the land they own, hunting is allowed. What's not to like about that? They're not charging for access like all the timber companies do. Maybe do a little research on the Nature Conservancy, it just might change your opinion. They're really not much different than the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation in what they do.

[Knocker of rocks]

I'm a big fan of the Nature Conservancy. They are able to protect a lot of land that is most often very important fish and wildlife habitat, and on much of the land they own, hunting is allowed. What's not to like about that? They're not charging for access like all the timber companies do. Maybe do a little research on the Nature Conservancy, it just might change your opinion. They're really not much different than the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation in what they do.

Sounds like YOU HAVE dranken there KOOL-AID  lock stock and BARREL.  Why do RESEARCH?  It's just a bunch of PROPAGANDA by there COMMY friends   

[JimmyHoffa]

I'm a big fan of the Nature Conservancy. They are able to protect a lot of land that is very important fish and wildlife habitat, and on much of the land they own, hunting is allowed. What's not to like about that? They're not charging for access like all the timber companies do. Maybe do a little research on the Nature Conservancy, it just might change your opinion. They're really not much different than the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation in what they do.

Well, I remember a place I used to hunt.  Then the TNC bought all the private land and hunting was no longer allowed.  A few years later that land became part of a USFWS refuge.

[Bullkllr]

Yeah, and about a dozen places I used to hunt are housing developments or warehouses.

[bradslam]

Some Nature Conservancy lands remain open to hunting and some don't.  The Silver Creek Preserve in Idaho remains available to the public because of the Nature Conservancy.  World-class fly fishing and you can still hunt it.

In my lifetime, I have lost access to literally thousands of acres of land due to speculation and development.  So many farms and timberlands are now 20 acre parcels with No Hunting signs on them.  I would rather have the Nature Conservancy buy the land then some retired Microsoft or Amazon employee from Seattle.

[Knocker of rocks]

Some Nature Conservancy lands remain open to hunting and some don't. .

I think most is

[JimmyHoffa]

Yeah, and about a dozen places I used to hunt are housing developments or warehouses.

Seen a TON of that too.  I'd prefer it turned into park or refuge before more of that!  Private landowners can sell who they want to.  Just saying I don't get the warm and fuzzies to the same extent as others when I hear TNC is involved in a land sale.  A loss of hunting is just that whenever/whoever the landowner happens to be/use it for.

[ouchfoss]

My whole reason for not feeling good about Nature Conservancy was they seemed to show up around here not long after the Wild Olympics campaign started making enemies with locals. Wild Olympics actually does want to take OUR land (NFS and DNR) as well as private owned timberlands and turn it into National Park and dig up roads and take away access. Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but alot of people thought that NC was possibly tied in with Wild Olympics and at some point in the future, they would accomplish the same goal of taking away public land.
With the way private timberlands have been heading lately because all the access fees and leases, I like the idea of areas being open to the public like NFS and DNR and I really hope that Nature Conservancy actually does keep the land open for all outdoorsmen to enjoy. We'll see I guess.

[Knocker of rocks]

My whole reason for not feeling good about Nature Conservancy was they seemed to show up around here not long after the Wild Olympics campaign started making enemies with locals. Wild Olympics actually does want to take OUR land (NFS and DNR) as well as private owned timberlands...........

You can read the Bill here:
https://www.congress.gov/113/bills/hr3922/BILLS-113hr3922ih.pdf

In fact it looks like no lands are designated NP, and all private lands are specifically excluded.

I'm not sure how the NC is connected to all this, but the the Nature Conservancy has willing private sellers sell them private land.  This is how the free market operates.