Applying in Idaho, Key things to know.

[GotMyTag]

The Moose, Sheep and Goat application periods are open for Idaho. If you are Applying in Idaho this will give you a few pointers  The application period is open the complete month of April.

Applying in Idaho, Key things to know.

#1. If you apply for Moose or Sheep or Goat then you cannot apply for Deer, Elk or Antelope. And you can only apply for Moose or Sheep or Goat and not all 3.

#2. Applying online is what I like to do as paperwork and sending in a letter just takes more time.  But in Idaho it is worth it to do the paper application.  They charge  like 3% to do it online.  When the out of state fees for big game animals is more than $1000 this adds up.

#3. You need to get the forms from the Idaho website.

#4. Idaho changes hunt #'s from year to year  so make sure you enter the correct hunt #'s.

#5. You have to buy a non refundable hunting license to apply.

#6. a maximum of 10% of tags will be given to non residents.

#7. There is not a point system in Idaho so your odds are as good as any one elses every year.

Odds are really good compared to other states

Because you have to choose just one of Goat, Moose or Sheep and because the costs to apply in Idaho are high.  This makes the odds really good for these animals.

So to save money apply on paper but be careful to do it all correctly.

You can draw a great tag in Idaho.  But you must apply and not miss the deadlines.
Applying in Idaho can get you a tag of a lifetime.

[BULLBLASTER]

  great reminder.
I applied and drew moose last year in idaho. I went over to cabelas in post falls and did my application there. Wasnt charged the 3% convenience fee and got my cabelas club points on the purchase. This year its deer and elk apps in idabo for me.
Good luck all!

[pd]

Great idea for a thread.

Here are the two key web addresses for the controlled hunts (the actual hunts for moose, and the application information).

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/docs/rules/mgsMooseInfo.pdf
http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/docs/rules/mgsCH.pdf

$2,116.50 might seem like a lot of money to pay for a moose, sheep or goat, but your odds of drawing as a non-resident in ID are much higher than your odds of drawing the same tag as a resident in WA.

[BULLBLASTER]

Much much better! Not even a comparison. The hunt i drew had 74 applicants for 10 tags!

[SI Eagle]

I will be in Idaho this weekend. When is the deadline to apply?

[BULLBLASTER]

I will be in Idaho this weekend. When is the deadline to apply?

i believe oils are april 1-30 for the app time. Deer elk pronghorn are may 5  june 5 i think. May be off a day or so. 

[walleye1]

Odds are not as good as they appear. Non res are allowed up to 10 percent of spieces and not per hunt choice. So idaho has approx. 47 goat tags that means only 4 non res can draw a goat tag.

[BULLBLASTER]

Odds are not as good as they appear. Non res are allowed up to 10 percent of spieces and not per hunt choice. So idaho has approx. 47 goat tags that means only 4 non res can draw a goat tag.

actaully it is a limit of 10% of each hunt choice. Or 1 tag if less than 10 for that choice.
It is not a species total.

[walleye1]

better study your regs

[BULLBLASTER]

From page 108 of 2014 regs.... 

[BULLBLASTER]

better study your regs

show me where it says a species limit?

[SI Eagle]

When are the results posted?

[BULLBLASTER]

When are the results posted?

by june 10 for oil and july 10 for deer elk antelope.

[Bigshooter]

Odds are not as good as they appear. Non res are allowed up to 10 percent of spieces and not per hunt choice. So idaho has approx. 47 goat tags that means only 4 non res can draw a goat tag.

actaully it is a limit of 10% of each hunt choice. Or 1 tag if less than 10 for that choice.
It is not a species total.

 

[idahohuntr]

better study your regs

show me where it says a species limit?

Bullblaster is correct, it is by hunt.  There are no species limits. 

[benhuntin]

So can you put in for all 3 OILS

[walleye1]

page 36 of the Idaho moose bighorn sheep and mountain goat. don't look at the deer elk pronghorn different rules.

[BULLBLASTER]

page 36 of the Idaho moose bighorn sheep and mountain goat. don't look at the deer elk pronghorn different rules.

I hadnt seen that language in the msg book. Can always learn something new.

[Bigshooter]

page 36 of the Idaho moose bighorn sheep and mountain goat. don't look at the deer elk pronghorn different rules.

I hadnt seen that language in the msg book. Can always learn something new.

 

[walleye1]

changes your draw odds dramatically.

[trophyhunt]

Good info, thanks for posting. 

[autodink13]

Does the nonres 10% per species quota max out each year?

[autodink13]

Looks like moose isn't really affected by the 10% species quota but goat and sheep are

[bigjohn98591]

I think I'm going to try and put in for a Moose tag next year. We hunt white tail in November up on the pan handle, and last year I saw two moose in two different areas. The first one must have been 60' from tip to tip, he was about 75-100 yards up a hillside and didn't stick around long when he heard me coming on the quad. The second was about 48" and about 40 yards up the hill from me, wasn't spooked by me or the quad. Both were the biggest animals that I've ever seen.

[idahohuntr]

page 36 of the Idaho moose bighorn sheep and mountain goat. don't look at the deer elk pronghorn different rules.

I hadnt seen that language in the msg book. Can always learn something new.

 

I stand corrected as well...how do they regulate it?  Who loses the tag(s) once they exceed the 10%? Do they draw in order of hunt #, in which case NR's are better off applying for lower hunt #'s or do they just re-draw all tags if they end up exceeding 10% NR? 

[longwalker]

Threads like this do wonders for those great drawing odds...

[WAcoueshunter]

I stand corrected as well...how do they regulate it?  Who loses the tag(s) once they exceed the 10%? Do they draw in order of hunt #, in which case NR's are better off applying for lower hunt #'s or do they just re-draw all tags if they end up exceeding 10% NR?

I would imagine they draw the name out of the hat first, then look to see if the desired tag is still available and if the applicable caps have been met.

[idahohuntr]

I stand corrected as well...how do they regulate it?  Who loses the tag(s) once they exceed the 10%? Do they draw in order of hunt #, in which case NR's are better off applying for lower hunt #'s or do they just re-draw all tags if they end up exceeding 10% NR?

I would imagine they draw the name out of the hat first, then look to see if the desired tag is still available and if the applicable caps have been met.

That works hunt by hunt, but if you reach 10% total NRs (e.g., 4 NR goat tags) and you still have say 5 hunts to draw...none of those remaining hunts can have a single NR drawn?  This is why I was so certain there were no "species" caps...I don't know how they regulate it, and they don't describe it in the regs, but its obviously an important feature in application strategy for NRs.  I'm a lifetime license holder so none of this applies to me personally.

[WAcoueshunter]

I stand corrected as well...how do they regulate it?  Who loses the tag(s) once they exceed the 10%? Do they draw in order of hunt #, in which case NR's are better off applying for lower hunt #'s or do they just re-draw all tags if they end up exceeding 10% NR?

I would imagine they draw the name out of the hat first, then look to see if the desired tag is still available and if the applicable caps have been met.

That works hunt by hunt, but if you reach 10% total NRs (e.g., 4 NR goat tags) and you still have say 5 hunts to draw...none of those remaining hunts can have a single NR drawn?  This is why I was so certain there were no "species" caps...I don't know how they regulate it, and they don't describe it in the regs, but its obviously an important feature in application strategy for NRs.  I'm a lifetime license holder so none of this applies to me personally.

They wouldn't go hunt by hunt, but species by species. Take all goat applicants and draw one out of the hat. Look at his hunt choice. If there is still a tag available for that unit and the NR caps have not been met, he gets a tag. Repeat. At some point individual hunts fill up or the caps get met and people start getting passed over. For goats, better bank on being one of the first four NRs to get drawn out of the hat and hope those in front of you didn't choose the same unit.

[BULLBLASTER]

That makes sense pretty well couse. How many total goat apps were there? I dont care about any of this anymore. I drew already for moose and doubt at this poi t ill try for sheep or goat in idaho.

[pd]

page 36 of the Idaho moose bighorn sheep and mountain goat. don't look at the deer elk pronghorn different rules.

I hadnt seen that language in the msg book. Can always learn something new.

 

I stand corrected as well...how do they regulate it?  Who loses the tag(s) once they exceed the 10%? Do they draw in order of hunt #, in which case NR's are better off applying for lower hunt #'s or do they just re-draw all tags if they end up exceeding 10% NR?

OK, it looks like I am the Slow Joe today.  If IdahoHunter stands corrected, what odds do I have of being correct?   

So, would somebody please explain this to me, before I apply as a non-resident for moose?  The way I have always understood it is non-residents are limited to no more than 10% of the total tag pool, by species.  Right or wrong.  So why does the odds decline from there? 

[WAcoueshunter]

So, would somebody please explain this to me, before I apply as a non-resident for moose?  The way I have always understood it is non-residents are limited to no more than 10% of the total tag pool, by species.  Right or wrong.

Right.

So why does the odds decline from there? 

Because NR's can't draw more than 10% of any given unit, and you also have to get drawn before all the tags for that unit are given out.  So effectively there are three hurdles a NR needs to get through before they get a tag, combined they make the odds worse than they might otherwise appear. 

If you are applying for a unit that has 2 tags for 50 total applicants, Your odds can't be better than 4%.  Odds are the inability to be one of the first two names out of the hat will be the limiting factor, not one of the NR caps. 

However, if you apply for a hunt with 2 tags for 10 applicants, you would think your odds are 1:5.  However, you could be the second name out of the hat and not get a tag if the first name is a NR due to the 10% cap on each hunt.  So to really know your odds, you've got to know how many of those 10 are NRs, because collectively they only get one tag between them. 

And then overall, you could apply for a tag that has two tags for four applicants.  You'd think your odds are 50/50.  But in reality, the two NR caps are probably the limiting factor and make your odds for that tag much worse than the otherwise would appear.

I just eyeballed it quickly, and in 2014 there were about 220 NR applicants for 4 goat tags overall.  So 1:55 overall for goats. 

[WAcoueshunter]

For moose, there were about 450 NRs for 49 NR moose tags (numbers are eyeballed, so might be off a bit).  Appears NRs are less than 10% of the overall pool, so the 10% overall cap shouldn't be a limiting factor for moose.  That means the posted odds for most of the tags should be right on! 

Conversely, with Cali sheep, NR's are way more than 10% of the overall applicant pool.  About 340 NR applicants for two tags, or 1:170.  If you take the $154 non-refundable license fee and the application fee and roll it into the WA Cali sheep raffle, you'd get about 15 tickets.  Most years there are about 3,500 WA cali sheep raffle tickets sold, so your odds there would be 15:3500 or about 1:233.  And that sheep raffle tag gives you the entire season with multiple units!

[pd]

For moose, there were about 450 NRs for 49 NR moose tags (numbers are eyeballed, so might be off a bit).  Appears NRs are less than 10% of the overall pool, so the 10% overall cap shouldn't be a limiting factor for moose.  That means the posted odds for most of the tags should be right on! 

Conversely, with Cali sheep, NR's are way more than 10% of the overall applicant pool.  About 340 NR applicants for two tags, or 1:170.  If you take the $154 non-refundable license fee and the application fee and roll it into the WA Cali sheep raffle, you'd get about 15 tickets.  Most years there are about 3,500 WA cali sheep raffle tickets sold, so your odds there would be 15:3500 or about 1:233.  And that sheep raffle tag gives you the entire season with multiple units!

Good analyses.  The California sheep example is interesting.  Please point me into the direction of the previous years' controlled hunts, particularly the number of tags available vs. the number of resident & non-resident applications compared to the number of res/non-res successful tags.  I can't seem to find that.

[WAcoueshunter]

Here's the link to the base page, then you just select your year and species.

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/licenses/controlledHunts/lookupOdds.cfm

[pd]

Here's the link to the base page, then you just select your year and species.

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/public/licenses/controlledHunts/lookupOdds.cfm

Wonderful!  I didn't know about this.  Very useful.  Thanks.