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If you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....
Quote from: lokidog on April 26, 2015, 11:17:33 PMIf you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2015, 09:32:01 AMQuote from: lokidog on April 26, 2015, 11:17:33 PMIf you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?
Quote from: skeeter 20i on April 27, 2015, 10:21:27 AMQuote from: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2015, 09:32:01 AMQuote from: lokidog on April 26, 2015, 11:17:33 PMIf you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2015, 08:37:01 PMQuote from: skeeter 20i on April 27, 2015, 10:21:27 AMQuote from: Sitka_Blacktail on April 27, 2015, 09:32:01 AMQuote from: lokidog on April 26, 2015, 11:17:33 PMIf you are a wolf and you get within ten yards of me, I AM KILLING YOU! Fair warning.....If all of early mankind had your attitude, we wouldn't have dogs today.They didn't and we do. What's your point? Kinda a stretch don't you think?My point is fear keeps you from learning things. False "knowledge" does the same thing. Our ancestors didn't know any better. They didn't "Know" that wolves cant be domesticated so they went ahead and tried and because of that, we have the most loyal companion a man could ask for. They didn't have hacks like Val Geist telling them that "wolves don't play, they're just sizing you up to eat you".Tell that to all the people permanently disfigured or killed by your "loyal companions", and these are the ones that didn't grow up "wild". If our domesticated dogs can still do that, what do you think these non-domesticated ones will do given the chance? You sir, have your head in the sand regarding wolves. Also, you failed to address the hypothetical caveman who, I am certain, did not take in an adult wolf.....
Arctic Wolves Walk Right Up to Workers and “Sniff” Themhttp://wolfeducationinternational.com/arctic-wolves-walk-right-up-to-workers-and-sniff-them/
If it were domestic and a pit bull, I'd have my carry out and pointed.
Number of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)
Quote from: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:02:17 AMNumber of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!
Quote from: villageidiot on April 29, 2015, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:02:17 AMNumber of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!Coyotes have them beat in the lower 48, that includes cattle (probably calves). It's not even a contest. For now...
Quote from: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:02:17 AMNumber of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)I like how you conveniently limit it to North America. How about we widen the parameters to all areas where people live with wolves. Also let's not forget that bears are found throughout North America. Not just where there are wolves.
Quote from: AspenBud on April 29, 2015, 09:56:57 PMQuote from: villageidiot on April 29, 2015, 09:37:45 PMQuote from: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:02:17 AMNumber of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)Don't forget how many hundreds and thousands of livestock these wolves kill every year. To the city dweller this is OK but to us rural folks it is NOT OK!Coyotes have them beat in the lower 48, that includes cattle (probably calves). It's not even a contest. For now...Only because of sheer numbers.
Quote from: grundy53 on April 29, 2015, 10:37:16 PMQuote from: AspenBud on April 28, 2015, 09:02:17 AMNumber of people in North America killed by bear (black and brown bears) in 2014: 6Number of people in North America killed by wolves in North America in 2014: 0The problem with wolves is relative to the other big predators there just aren't that many in the lower 48 and while it's nice to speculate about potential fatal attacks, and when they occur they make news, they really aren't that common here compared to the other two big apex predators. One wolf, or a pack, certainly has the potential to kill a person. But up to now that has proven to be more the exception than the rule...and so far, that continues to be the case.(We'll see if that lasts whether we want to or not.)I like how you conveniently limit it to North America. How about we widen the parameters to all areas where people live with wolves. Also let's not forget that bears are found throughout North America. Not just where there are wolves.Because this isn't Russia.Nowhere in what I wrote did I say they couldn't become more of a threat. The bear stats I posted involved incidents mainly from Canada. Only a couple were in the US.
The numbers of wolves, coyotes, bears, etc., really have no bearing on this thread. It's pretty obvious to anyone who's familiar with predator characteristics what these wolves are up to - sizing up their prey for a possible meal. Whether or not we have way more coyotes and bears than wolves also makes little difference. Not only are the wolves here to stay, but they're nowhere near done populating our state and the Northern US. If they're not as dangerous, prolific, or having as large an impact on ungulates and livestock as the others, it's only a matter of time before they do. I, for one, can't wait until the Commission gets its head out of its collective dark place and allows us to start putting rugs up on the wall. I know that the unfortunate victims of government incompetence who live in the NE corner of our state feel the same way.
I'm guessing those wolves are habituated to humans. The behavior in the video sure makes it look that way.I'm also guessing somebody at that facility has been feeding them on occasion.