Dead Goat killed by

[cbond3318]

Human animal, possibly high on bath salts. 

[h20hunter]

TGVDave.....he found your goat unattended....decided to just eat it on the spot because thats how he rolls.

 

[Trapper John]

WOW    I was expecting this much of a  response.  Great work guys 

Okay here it is:
Bird of Prey ~ Eagles ~ Nope
Large Predators ~ Bears ~ Nope
Felines Predators ~ Mountain Lions or Bobcat ~ Nope
Canine Predators ~ Coyote ...... No ........ "domestic dog" ........... Oh Ya ! 

How do you tell the differences between feline and canine is this;

Feline is a clean killer.  Bobcat or mountain lion kill by jumping on the animals back (deer, horse, sheep) climbing on its back up to the neck reaching around underneath and shutting off the windpipe killing the animal.  Than the cat will open up the flank taking out the intestine and putting them in a pile off to the side.  Than eating the heart and liver first than either bury the animal under debris or eating some of it for a meal.  If it eats it, it will start to eat on the hindquarters getting the most out of the animal.

Canine is a dirt killer.  Canine's such as coyote, wolves, dogs will kill the animal by biting its hamstrings or pushing the animal over down to the ground.  Than they will eat the animal alive from the hindquarters in.

Domestic dog is a dirty killer if they kill at all and a lot of animals have been injured by dogs.  This goat was killed a dog for fun.  This dog held on to the goat and twisted and tore the goats skin and breaking its hip bone.  It also pulled out the intestines and through them out of its way which is a telltale sign of canines.  Bears will do the same.

As I investigated the area more I ran across a large dog print.  I put a pocketknife next to it and took a picture.  The pocketknife is four inches long.  You can see the dogs toenails in the print.  Cats you can't see their claws.  This was most-likely the neighbors dog.  While I was there the neighbors dog was sitting at the property line watching what I was doing.  After awhile the neighbor came over and said he was wondering if his dog could be responsible for this    I showed him the large dog print and left it at that.  He knew 

Anyway guys great work 
JC   

 

 

[cbond3318]

TGVDave.....he found your goat unattended....decided to just eat it on the spot because thats how he rolls.

 

  Hey fair is fair...

[Ebell]

How did the dog get in to the enclosure?  That's where I was stumped and figured it had to be a cat.
That was a fun game, have anymore? 

[splitshot]

   polar bear or a Tasmanian devil  or A CROSS OF THEM.     IT IS  an Othello guess cuz neither live here.    MIKE W

[Quackwhacker]

So it wasn't a wolverine? Rats.


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[jasnt]

How did the dog get in to the enclosure?  That's where I was stumped and figured it had to be a cat.
That was a fun game, have anymore? 

[RadSav]

What kind of domestic dog was it?  Seems odd there was not more evidence on the nose, ears and lower legs for it to be a domestic dog.  Most if not all the farm animals I have seen killed by domestic dogs were killed by Shepard mixes.  In those cases the animals were really bit up well in the ears and nose.  Hind legs were usually torn up rather well too.  And the real tell was all the slobber and matting of hair around where they latched on while playing with the poor creature.  The lack of any of that is why I discarded the domestic dog.

Was fun and educational.  Thank you Trapper John.

[mburrows]

Youd be great on CSI Trapper.

[hrd2fnd]

Was fun and educational.  Thank you Trapper John.

[Trapper John]

How did the dog get in to the enclosure?  That's where I was stumped and figured it had to be a cat.
That was a fun game, have anymore? 

The dog is a big dog something like a German Shepard.  It is a African Ridge-Back, 175 pounds of per muscle.  They have them over in Africa to fight off "lions" from homes and hunting camps.  If this dog is around you your pretty safe a lion is not going to get you.

Remember I said it was a 5' fence with 4 feet of 2x4 wire attached to it.
Coyotes are diggers for you folks that didn't know.  Yes coyotes will jump a fence but for some reason they stop at about four feet.  They would rather dig under a fence than go over it.  I believe it is because they can't drag their kill over the fence (don't have strong jaws like a cat, plus it might hang up on the fence) so they rather drag it under a fence.   

This dog is a large dog and large dogs will jump high or should I say higher fences than a coyote because their not going in to get something to eat they are going in to have fun and kill something.  Their owners feed them they don't have to work for their meals.

If I had my way I would  shovel and shut-up
JC   

[Humptulips]

It will probably be back. It dropped its pocket knife.

[dreamunelk]

 

[Trapper John]

What kind of domestic dog was it?  Seems odd there was not more evidence on the nose, ears and lower legs for it to be a domestic dog.  Most if not all the farm animals I have seen killed by domestic dogs were killed by Shepard mixes.  In those cases the animals were really bit up well in the ears and nose.  Hind legs were usually torn up rather well too.  And the real tell was all the slobber and matting of hair around where they latched on while playing with the poor creature.  The lack of any of that is why I discarded the domestic dog.

Was fun and educational.  Thank you Trapper John.

It is a African Ridge-Back, 175 pounds of per muscle, stands about 36" at the shoulders.  He will stare you down and will not blink.  Kind of creepy. 

Your right on the mouthing of the dead goat, its didn't show signs that a dog did this until you started looking closer.

Years ago I was called out to a almost same job like this one.  I goat farmer called me and said that she had four of her goats attached by a cougar and was wondering if I could come out and get the cougar.  SO I went over to her farm and she had 200 plus goats that she milked everyday.  She had a real nice modern milking farm.  Top notch place.  Anyway when I got there three of the four goats were still alive and standing upright.  I thought right away there is no way a cougar did this.

The three goats hides were hanging off of them. I mean they were skinned alive and they are still alive with raw meat showing.     She thinks that one maybe two lions attached them.  I told her if they were lions the goats would be dead and dragged off and eaten.   She said well what did this?   

So I knew it wasn't feline but I was pretty dam sure it was canine.  I also knew that this was not the works of coyotes either.  I have done a lot of coyote work and this wasn't coyote.  So I told her that this was the works of domestic dogs.   She said that they haven't seen any dogs on the farm other than theirs and if they did because of the goats they shoot on sight.  So she said: "do you think it could be one of our dogs?"    I said; It could be.

So she says lets check them to see.  She called over two of her dogs (Austrian Shepard's) and starts to look at there fur, toenails, collars and bodies for any sign of blood or and evident that they did it.  No sign.  Than as she is checking over the dogs, her sons young Austrian Shepard comes over to me and lays on his back and wants his tummy rubbed.  Nice looking dog year old, pretty white and brown coat.  Oh and the white fur on this dog had a lot of fresh blood.....   I said to her; here is the dog responsible for this problem. 

She looked at me and grabbed that dog pulled it up on its feet so quick that I don't think this dog knew what was coming next.  What came next surprise me    she grabbed my 357 mag side arm ( I carry that if I get a cougar call for my safety) and shot that dog right on the spot.    I mean it was over right there and now!  Than she handed me back my pistol and called her son over and told him to go and bury this dog.

Don't make old lady's mad...........
This was great guys, you all did good  two thumbs up
JC