Initiative Proposals

[JimmyHoffa]

Here's a link to some proposed initiatives.
http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/initiatives.aspx

Taxes, Cannabis, Endangered Species, CPL Training, Establishment of Brothels, Body Cams, Etc.

For the CPL one (doesn't look like they have moved far yet)

Statement of the Subject:  This Initiative to the Legislature concerns requiring training for a Concealed Pistol License (CPL) in Washington State.
Concise Description:  This Initiative would require that all CPL applicants, both new and renewals, participate in basic handgun training that would include; safety rules, basic marksmanship, self-defense, de-escalation, proof of shooting proficiency, and review of state laws relating to these matters.

1) All Concealed Pistol License (CPL) applicants must submit proof that they have successfully completed an approved
    handgun safety course. 
   a) The training must be performed by;
(1) A Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission certified handgun instructor, OR
(2) A certified handgun instructor from a comparable entity approved by the Washington State Criminal Justice Training
     Commission
b) The training for an initial CPL applicant, or one with a CPL that is over 90 days expired, shall be at least 12 hours in 
    length and shall at a minimum contain the following;
   (1) Firearms Safety
   (2) Safe Storage
   (3) Marksmanship Principles
   (4) Loading / Unloading Procedures
   (5) Ammunition Basics
   (6) Revolver Nomenclature and Operation
   (7) Semi-Automatic Nomenclature and Operation
   ( Clearing Malfunctions
   (9) Drawing From A Holster
   (10) Speed Reloads
      (a) Semi-Automatic
      (b) Revolver
   (11) Proper Cleaning Techniques
   (12) Self-Defense
   (13) De-Escalation Techniques
   (14) Washington State Handgun Laws
   (15) Written Test - with 70% or better required to pass
   (16) Live Marksmanship Training
   (17) Qualification / Shooting Proficiency Test
      (a) The qualification must be a minimum of 25 shots
      (b) The qualification must take place on a live fire range
      (c) A score of 70% or better must be required to pass
c) The training for a CPL renewal applicant shall be at least 4 hours in length and shall at a minimum contain the following;
   (1) Firearms Safety
   (2) Drawing From A Holster
   (3) Speed Reloads
      (a) Semi-Automatic
      (b) Revolver
   (4) Clearing Malfunctions
   (5) De-Escalation
   (6) Washington State Handgun Laws
   (7) Written Test
   ( Qualification / Shooting Proficiency Test
      (a) The qualification must be a minimum of 25 shots
      (b) The qualification may take place on a live fire range, OR
      (c) The qualification may take place with laser training software, provided;
         i) The software must record shot times
         ii) The software must record images of shot placement
         iii) The shot placement and shot times must be printed out and accompany any course certificate
      (d) A score of 70% or better must be required to pass

[vandeman17]

I wonder how much all the certification will cost?

[Bofire]

There is not a way to meet that. Washington only has one police academy to train cops and they cannot keep up with the demand. How would this work???
Carl

[Humptulips]

There is not a way to meet that. Washington only has one police academy to train cops and they cannot keep up with the demand. How would this work???
Carl

It wouldn't. That is the point of the Initiative. A back door way to eliminate CCPs.

[JimmyHoffa]

Did anyone check out the one for reforming the electoral college from WA?  Gives Puget Sound a lot more control over electoral votes for president.   

[timberfaller]

Some one having "issues" with the words "infringed" and "Shall not be"

It should DIE in Committee! if we had leaders who were educated.

[ndcasla]

It is sorta LIKE the "camels nose in the tent" thing. I wouldn't mind some sort of requirements for a CPL, but I am afraid of the camels nose.
I have looked at other states CPL regulations and most seem less then this proposal.
There's nothing wrong with the way the State is going about issuing CPLs as it is. IF IT AINT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

[Knocker of rocks]

Did anyone check out the one for reforming the electoral college from WA?  Gives Puget Sound a lot more control over electoral votes for president.   

Your animus against Seattle is getting the better of you here.  This initiative would actually do the opposite.  It would divide up the electoral college in the state of Washington by Congressional District, and some votes would go to the winner of that district no matter the state wide results.

In 2012 President Obama received all twelve of Washington's electoral votes.  By my (back of the napkin) calculations, if this initiative had been in place, he would have instead received ten of Washington's twelve votes and Mitt Romney would have received two instead of zero.  My math is rudimentary, and if anything, President Obama could have received less votes by losing the 3rd and the 8th districts.

I would posit that that this initiative would do (and is meant to do) the direct opposite you fear

http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/initiatives/initiatives.aspx
http://www.makeeveryvotecountwashington.org

[Knocker of rocks]

I actually think Mitt Romney received the most votes in both the 3rd and the 8th , so the electoral vote would have been Obama:8, Romney: 4 had this initiative been in place.

 

[JimmyHoffa]

You're right.  Not sure what I was reading.    I had the impression it was one vote per district, two for population overall to determine winner take all.