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Author Topic: HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property  (Read 44019 times)

Offline bigtex

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Re: HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property
« Reply #120 on: May 06, 2015, 10:30:38 PM »
really,Wait it just did lol.what do you think this whole topic is about?This topic is about just that,A law has been made that will make a horn hunter a criminal that they will prosecute more so  than say a hiker picking berries.
The prosecution is the same. Criminal trespass 2nd degree and unlawful removal of wildlife parts from private property are both misdemeanors...

It's not like trespass is a misdemeanor and this wildlife offense is a gross misdemeanor.

And fyi, if your "hiker picking berries" had been picking mushrooms on private property they would face a different law solely for removing forest products on private property. And actually in that case the guy taking a mushroom from private property faces a bigger penalty then someone removing sheds or a "basic" trespassing charge.

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Re: HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property
« Reply #121 on: May 06, 2015, 10:34:39 PM »
really,Wait it just did lol.what do you think this whole topic is about?This topic is about just that,A law has been made that will make a horn hunter a criminal that they will prosecute more so  than say a hiker picking berries.
The prosecution is the same. Criminal trespass 2nd degree and unlawful removal of wildlife parts from private property are both misdemeanors...

It's not like trespass is a misdemeanor and this wildlife offense is a gross misdemeanor.

And fyi, if your "hiker picking berries" had been picking mushrooms on private property they would face a different law solely for removing forest products on private property...
and this brings up my point,Its diff. only because of the user group.Both are trespassing,both are stealing,1 is taking somthing that fell off an animal,the other is food growing for an animal why should they be diff.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2015, 10:40:27 PM by stevemiller »
You must first be honest with yourself,Until then your just lying to everyone.

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Re: HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property
« Reply #122 on: May 06, 2015, 10:45:04 PM »
They shouldnt.But if they both go on private and take something shouldnt they then be charged the same?Whether 1 is a hunter and the other is just a hiker

If a hiker takes a horn on private property they will be charged under the same law as a "hunter" taking a horn. The law just says you can't take horns on private property without permission. It doesn't say hunters are to be prosecuted under X law and non-hunters Y law.

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Re: HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property
« Reply #123 on: May 06, 2015, 10:57:22 PM »
Like bigtex said if LEO is called they use the same tech as everyone else and if everything is not updated and you go hunt that same spot you have for 30 years but the title just changed hands a few weeks earlier and is now owned by an anti hunter or whatever,Since you are hunting and trespassing you lose it all.But if you do all the above but are not hunting you dont.This I and most have a problem with.
Where do you get the impression that if you are hunting and trespassing you lose it all?

Additionally, if you can prove that you reasonably believed the land was not privately owned you can't be convicted of hunting while trespassing.

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Re: HB 1627 Unlawful Removal of Wildlife Parts from Private Property
« Reply #124 on: May 06, 2015, 11:24:40 PM »
Like bigtex said if LEO is called they use the same tech as everyone else and if everything is not updated and you go hunt that same spot you have for 30 years but the title just changed hands a few weeks earlier and is now owned by an anti hunter or whatever,Since you are hunting and trespassing you lose it all.But if you do all the above but are not hunting you dont.This I and most have a problem with.
Where do you get the impression that if you are hunting and trespassing you lose it all?

Additionally, if you can prove that you reasonably believed the land was not privately owned you can't be convicted of hunting while trespassing.
Correct me if im wrong 1)If Im hunting and on private property,I lose my truck,hunting rights for a period,My game if I have it my rifle etc. 2)if im not hunting but am trespassing picking mushrooms,Do you take my truck,next years hunting license,The mushrooms bags or buckets etc?
If you are hunting on private property and are convicted you will only lose your hunting rights if you killed an animal, or you have previous fish and wildlife convictions within the past 10 years. An officer can take your truck/rifle for any violation if they can tie it to a fish and wildlife offense, notice I said can and not will/must. If someone exceeds the trout limit by 1 an officer is not going to seize the guy's boat. If your caught hunting on private property and haven't killed anything the chances of an officer seizing the gun is slim to none, the truck won't happen. Now if you killed an animal, they may take the gun. But I know of many people who have illegally killed an animal and the officer didn't take the rifle. For many people losing their tag for the season, an animal, and a fine is enough.

For your mushroom pickers an officer can seize the mushrooms, buckets/bags, etc. They cannot take your truck for mushrooms, but they can for wood. If you have two previous forest products convictions in your lifetime your ability to get a forest products permit is suspended for 3 years. They cannot take your hunting license because it has nothing to do with hunting.

Realistically, from a penalty standpoint the brush/berry/mushroom/wood removal from private property is stiffer then the hunting on private property or trespass in the 2nd degree. The forest product violation is up to a $1,000 fine and up to a year in jail, the hunting and trespass 2nd degree is $1,000 and up to 90 days in jail.

Also need to remember for the hunting violation it is a defense that:
(a) The premises were at the time open to members of the public for the purpose of hunting, and the actor complied with all lawful conditions imposed on access to or remaining on the premises;
(b) The actor reasonably believed that the owner of the premises, or other person empowered to license access thereto, would have licensed him or her to enter or remain on the premises for the purpose of hunting or retrieving hunted wildlife;
(c) The actor reasonably believed that the premises were not privately owned; or
(d) The actor, after making all reasonable attempts to contact the owner of the premises, retrieved the hunted wildlife for the sole purpose of avoiding a violation of the prohibition on the waste of fish and wildlife as provided in RCW 77.15.170. The defense in this subsection only applies to the retrieval of hunted wildlife and not to the actual act of hunting itself

So if the lands truly were sold yesterday and are now closed to the public and you didn't know it, you can't be convicted.

 


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