Wolves and Livestock:The Never Ending Battle

[wolfbait]

Wolves and Livestock:The Never ending Battle

https://www.facebook.com/download/1433754386931863/MuleyCrazy15.3.17-22.pdf



Wolves and Livestock: The Never Ending Battle
http://tomremington.com/2015/05/29/wolves-and-livestock-the-never-ending-battle/

[nwwanderer]

Thank you,  Muledeer may want to bring a copy to the next wag meeting

[bearpaw]

That's an excellent write up by Dr Charles Kay. 

[idahohuntr]

Wolves are not all over Utah, Colorado and other southern states because of rancher mandated killing? 

Wyoming "stuck to its guns" in classifying wolves as a predator so they can be shot on sight unlike Idaho and Montana which 'caved'? 

Maybe there was something useful in the article, but I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs when it became clear that the author was clueless about wolves and wolf management in the West.

[KFhunter]

I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs

next time put that first in your post so I can stop reading it and not waste my time on the rest of it

thanks for your cooperation

[wolfbait]

Wolves are not all over Utah, Colorado and other southern states because of rancher mandated killing? 

Wyoming "stuck to its guns" in classifying wolves as a predator so they can be shot on sight unlike Idaho and Montana which 'caved'? 

Maybe there was something useful in the article, but I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs when it became clear that the author was clueless about wolves and wolf management in the West.

"Wolves are not all over Utah, Colorado and other southern states because of rancher mandated killing?"

Ranchers hold state game agencies accountable, how many wolf packs have been confirmed just in WA because of livestock depredation?

As far as Wyoming, they didn't take the bait of managing wolves as a big game animal do to the fact that it has been proven it doesn't work.

I find it comical that you stress honesty with the wolf issue, yet anyone who doesn't agree with you is dismissed as clueless. Kay's assessment of the wolf situation in this article is right on the money.

 Charles Kay predicted what the outcome would be regarding the wolf introduction, and he was right!

What they Didn't Tell You About Wolf Recovery

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs

next time put that first in your post so I can stop reading it and not waste my time on the rest of it

thanks for your cooperation

[mfswallace]

I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs

next time put that first in your post so I can stop reading it and not waste my time on the rest of it

thanks for your cooperation

Or just stop posting anything

[bearpaw]

In areas that wolves inhabit it's not a question of "Will they kill livestock?" the qustion is "How soon will they kill? and/or "How many times will they kill before they have to be removed?"

While Idahohntr was busy calling Dr Kay clueless, wolves were busy proving Dr Kay's is spot on regarding wolf impacts on livestock! 

Local wolf pack takes sheep herd
 
May 26, 2015 WEI
 
In the evenings, Janet and Buol Heslin can sit on their back porch in Alta and watch wolves emerge from the nearby national forest. The couple has raised sheep for the last 10 years and the last seven on their farm in Wyoming, and they’ve had a few problems with wolves.
 
http://tinyurl.com/o93r4xr

[bearpaw]

Kay is correct: Where wolves live with livestock there are problems:

Wolf Depredation on Cattle in Europe
 
May 22, 2015 WEI
 
A new report to the European Commission “Exploring Traditional Husbandry Methods to Reduce Wolf Predation on Free-Ranging Cattle in Portugal and Spain” offers a look at the problems faced by livestock producers in this region of the Iberian Peninsula, but does little to suggest viable relief from problems specifically identified by cattle producers.
 
http://tinyurl.com/pddcrs8

[rasbo]

Wolves are not all over Utah, Colorado and other southern states because of rancher mandated killing? 

Wyoming "stuck to its guns" in classifying wolves as a predator so they can be shot on sight unlike Idaho and Montana which 'caved'? 

Maybe there was something useful in the article, but I stopped reading after 2 paragraphs when it became clear that the author was clueless about wolves and wolf management in the West.

please elaborate

[idahohuntr]

No wolf hunting in wyoming in 2014 and lack of wolves in Utah or even southern idaho is not because of some invisible rancher fence.

[idahohuntr]

In areas that wolves inhabit it's not a question of "Will they kill livestock?" the qustion is "How soon will they kill? and/or "How many times will they kill before they have to be removed?"

While Idahohntr was busy calling Dr Kay clueless, wolves were busy proving Dr Kay's is spot on regarding wolf impacts on livestock! 

Local wolf pack takes sheep herd
 
May 26, 2015 WEI
 
In the evenings, Janet and Buol Heslin can sit on their back porch in Alta and watch wolves emerge from the nearby national forest. The couple has raised sheep for the last 10 years and the last seven on their farm in Wyoming, and they’ve had a few problems with wolves.
 
http://tinyurl.com/o93r4xr

You are calling kay an expert because he said wolves will eat livestock?

[WAcoyotehunter]

No wolf hunting in wyoming in 2014 and lack of wolves in Utah or even southern idaho is not because of some invisible rancher fence.

right.

[wolfbait]

No wolf hunting in wyoming in 2014 and lack of wolves in Utah or even southern idaho is not because of some invisible rancher fence.

right.

So tell us who holds the USFWS or state game agencies accountable do to wolf predation besides ranchers?

Look at the Lolo elk herd as an example of accountability by IDFG. Look how long it took before IDFG was forced to admit wolves were the reason for the decline of the Lolo herd. And even when they had a chance to kill more wolves to help the herd Unsworth refuse, saying it wouldn't matter. One wolf will kill 20+ elk per year.

"Department director Jim Unsworth told the advisory group it will take time to see how wolves affect different aspects of the Washington landscape compared to previous wolf introductions in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming."


I think hunters should tie in with the ranchers over the wolf issue as their interests are basically the same concerning wolf control.

There will be the usual number of fools who believe groups like CNW, DoW, Sierra Club and HSUS support hunters and ranchers in WA, but not many people are easily fooled after the bogus wolf plan.


"Yes, hunter's interests are represented well in the group.  I spoke with every member there, and spent extra time talking to the members from CNW, DofW, Sierra Club, and HSUS.  3 of these members grew up in and understand our hunting heritage, and are not opposed to hunting personally or as a representative of their group.  The other member has never been exposed to hunting, but is not against hunting at all."

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,174866.100.html

[WAcoyotehunter]

OK- I get that ranchers want wolves controlled, and I get that hunters want wolves controlled.  As groups (hunters:ranchers) we seem to have few other common interests.  If hunters and ranchers can work together for wolf control, that's great.  We should.  But we should also recognize that Ranchers and Hunters have different interests for wolf management.  The end result might look the same, but the motivations are clearly different. 

To say that ranchers are the reason there are no wolves in Colorado and Utah is disingenuous and helps the writer lose credibility right of the bat.