thats all b.s. sorry tell you all. my son already turn 16. he never drew a permit that he been wanting one since he got his hunting ed. and now i have a daugther turning 16 in Jan. she drew none in youth elk tag. even they add more elk youth permits thinking she will draw one this year before i waste my money to the bs state. this sysytem are sucks. thinking they give 8,9,10 years elk tags. think they cant go hike 5 or 10 miles.not right . pretty suck all my money and state love that idea. taking away thier hard work to spend in the permit system.