Trophy State of Mind poaching in Montana

[headshot5]

attached in one of the threads on here, on the buck g2 that shane shot, there was some concern that where he had a trail cam placed was on private land, and he did not have the landowners permission to be there.  Since then Shane has pulled down those pics from his thread. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,175634.0.html

See pages 8 and 9 of this thread.

[PolarBear]

Matt and Shane are probably plotting together on which land to sneak on next.     I have heard for many years that Matt and hunwa were prone to ignore boundary lines and rules, this crap pretty much confirms it.  It gives real, honest hunters a black mark and even more ammo for the anti's.  Hunting ethics are fading fast.

Where in any of this does it mention Shane aka HuntWA???  Or are you accusing him of this along with Alwine because he is a friend and guilty by association? Only people I saw mentioned were two young men.  Please show me where I missed it PolarBear

He has been accused of trespassing much like Matt in another thread.

[10thmountainarcher]

attached in one of the threads on here, on the buck g2 that shane shot, there was some concern that where he had a trail cam placed was on private land, and he did not have the landowners permission to be there.  Since then Shane has pulled down those pics from his thread. 

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,175634.0.html

See pages 8 and 9 of this thread.

The pictures that high country claims are on his buddies property are still viewable. I'm not going to jump to conclusions, but high country did say that some of the landmarks that are seen in the photo are not on his friends property. without both INVOLVED persons stories, no one has any idea what has occurred. The ones that are already making a decision on Shane are wrong for doing so. If you read the thread, it seems as if we will never know the full story as the accuser (highcountry) already stated that he will not provide updates.

[10thmountainarcher]

Matt and Shane are probably plotting together on which land to sneak on next.     I have heard for many years that Matt and hunwa were prone to ignore boundary lines and rules, this crap pretty much confirms it.  It gives real, honest hunters a black mark and even more ammo for the anti's.  Hunting ethics are fading fast.

Where in any of this does it mention Shane aka HuntWA???  Or are you accusing him of this along with Alwine because he is a friend and guilty by association? Only people I saw mentioned were two young men.  Please show me where I missed it PolarBear

He has been accused of trespassing much like Matt in another thread.

Just so we are clear, these are two EXTREMELY different circumstances. I do not know Shane at all, but what Matt did was not just trespassing.

[Whitpirate]

Matt seems to have disappeared from here and Facebook.  A guy who made an honest mistake usually doesn't tuck tail and run...

Ding, ding, ding - we have a winner here   

With anti pressure and holier than thou hunters I'd bet most would deactivate their accounts for a time.

[trophyhunt]

I just really hope it's a big misunderstanding regarding Shane's situation.  Seems like a great guy.

[Mr Mykiss]

There for a second I forgot you were my idol...

You havent looked very hard for an Idol if you came up with me lol

And it looks like I've lost an idol...

[JDHasty]

It looks like Matt Alwine's "state of mind" was anything other than honorable.  Thank God that this miscreant has the presence of mind to just go away.

I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but me thinks... these "hunting" shows have to continually and everlastingly up the ante.  And as such, there is a natural progression towards hunting high fence or worse.  "every business needs to expand and grow if it is to survive" is what I learned in Business 101.  But is that necessarily true?  Maybe it is, but maybe it isn't. 

I haven't owned a television since the 1980's and as such all I see of them is when visiting others home. 

So: my question is... What about a hunting show that is not 100% invested in taking an animal that is at the top of the charts, but is a good representative example of decent representative example of a mature animal of the species being hunted?

Does that hunter have a marketable product, or are people tuning in to see and live vicariously through the taking of bigger and better every week?  I really don't know, I don't have television. 

I can appreciate the effort to better one's personal best each year, BUT I really admire those individuals I know who score a nice mature blacktail every other year... or so.  Fair chase, I know people who show up and shoot a big buck off the deck of a friend who has been feeding year round and that, to me, is like walking up to a feedlot and using a bolt gun to drop a longhorn bull that has horns that are six feet wide as he nibbles silage from a feed bunk.

I guess what I am getting at is hunting, like private moments with one's wife, is too personal an experience to post video on the net.   I really don't care for hunting shows because they are all about the end product to me and as with posting one's intimate moments... how do we top this and keep the consumer coming back. 

There is only so much info that one can convey before sensationalism is the end product.  But at a certain point, how do we top that? 

Just sitting here thinking about it.  Perhaps one or two episodes of an Alwine taking a trophy bull and one or two of him taking a trophy buck and then he has to get a real job? 

I just don't know how a program succeeds in holding an audience, in a hobby such as hunting, when the pleasure morps from just being born in today's America where being in the field is the goal, to having to provide the money shot each week. 

I just don't think it is possible, but those of you who watch television, and especially these programs, may be able to enlighten me.  What brings you there?  Is it to live vicariously through the star's taking of a large antlered animal?  I just don't know. 

I have a cousin who has many, many  trophy animal mounts in his home in Montana.  Really spectacular Montana elk and Mule deer.  But mixed in are whitetail morphodite retarded looking whitetails he has shot on high-fence operations.

So were those elk animals he hunted in The Bob, or are they caged elk that took no more effort than paying the freight on a fenced shoot of someone's pet?  I don't know and what is more all of his "trophy" animals are suspect. 

     

[mfswallace]

It looks like Matt Alwine's "state of mind" was anything other than honorable.  Thank God that this miscreant has the presence of mind to just go away.

I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but me thinks... these "hunting" shows have to continually and everlastingly up the ante.  And as such, there is a natural progression towards hunting high fence or worse.  "every business needs to expand and grow if it is to survive" is what I learned in Business 101.  But is that necessarily true?  Maybe it is, but maybe it isn't. 

I haven't owned a television since the 1980's and as such all I see of them is when visiting others home. 

So: my question is... What about a hunting show that is not 100% invested in taking an animal that is at the top of the charts, but is a good representative example of decent representative example of a mature animal of the species being hunted?

Does that hunter have a marketable product, or are people tuning in to see and live vicariously through the taking of bigger and better every week?  I really don't know, I don't have television. 

I can appreciate the effort to better one's personal best each year, BUT I really admire those individuals I know who score a nice mature blacktail every other year... or so.  Fair chase, I know people who show up and shoot a big buck off the deck of a friend who has been feeding year round and that, to me, is like walking up to a feedlot and using a bolt gun to drop a longhorn bull that has horns that are six feet wide as he nibbles silage from a feed bunk.

I guess what I am getting at is hunting, like private moments with one's wife, is too personal an experience to post it on the net.   I really don't care for hunting shows because they are all about the end product to me and as with posting one's intimate moments... how do we top this and keep the consumer coming back. 

There is only so much info that one can convey before sensationalism is the end product.  But at a certain point, how do we top that? 

Just sitting here thinking about it.  Perhaps one or two episodes of an Alwine taking a trophy bull and one or two of him taking a trophy buck and then he has to get a real job? 

I just don't know how a program succeeds in holding an audience, in a hobby such as hunting, when the pleasure morps from just being born in today's America where being in the field is the goal, to having to provide the money shot each week. 

I just don't think it is possible, but those of you who watch television, and especially these programs, may be able to enlighten me.  What brings you there?  Is it to live vicariously through the star's taking of a large antlered animal?  I just don't know. 

I have a cousin who has many, many  trophy animal mounts in his home in Montana.  Really spectacular Montana elk and Mule deer.  But mixed in are whitetail morphodite retarded looking whitetails he has shot on high-fence operations.

So were those elk animals he hunted in The Bob, or are they caged elk that took no more effort than paying the freight on a fenced shoot of someone's pet?  I don't know and what is more all of his "trophy" animals are suspect. 

   

Sasquatch is a show that doesn't harvest all the time and is more about the experience. I can't watch all the shows cause there somewhat slow but still ok....

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

Washington resident Matthew Alwine appeared in Park County Justice Court - Montana - and pled to/was sentenced for multiple counts of trespassing, illegal hunting and killing of trophy bull elk, mule deer, and trophy whitetail deer. Alwine filmed a show called Trophy State of Mind while poaching some of these animals. Fines totaled $11,180 with a loss of all hunting privileges for 48 months in Montana and potentially Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact participating states. Washington Fish and Wildlife Officers and Detectives assisted in the investigation and search warrants served in Washington revealed much of the evidence used in the case.

Other suspects charged during the investigation in March of 2015, included Dalton Harum (WA) (fail to obtain landowner permission 5 x 5 bull elk – 2014), forfeited fine $170 and elk antlers and Zach Samek (WA) criminal trespass on private property (videoed the Harum elk hunt) forfeited fine $185.