Question - can a ML still be mailed to Washinton State without FFL

[Sabotloader]

Since things have changed in Washington State lately can a ML still be mailed to you without a FFL?

[carpsniperg2]

Yes you can mail them directly to anyone without the use of a ffl.

[Sabotloader]

Yes you can mail them directly to anyone without the use of a ffl.

Thanks for the answer, I have a friend in SD that needs to ship a ML to WA..

mike

[CAMPMEAT]

You can also use FEDEX and UPS for guns too. As far as I know, no FFL is needed to ship a rifle or handgun. carp, correct that statement if I'm wrong. 

[Stein]

Yes you can mail them directly to anyone without the use of a ffl.

I only see an exemption for antique firearms produced prior to 1898.

"Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including  without  limitation  a  sale  or  transfer  where  either  the purchaser  or  seller  or  transferee  or  transferor  is  in  Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law.  The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through  a  licensed  dealer,  at  gun  shows,  online,  and  between unlicensed persons.

[Sabotloader]

Looking at Cabelas there is no restriction to Washington

Cannot Ship:•United States addresses that have a zip code that starts with 607
•United States addresses that have a zip code that starts with 608
•APO/FPO addresses
•International addresses
•United States Territories
•United States addresses that have a zip code that starts with 606
•New Jersey
Order MUST be placed through the Catalog Gun Department by calling 1-800-237-4444 ext 132 for all gun orders placed from or shipped to :•Illinois
•Michigan

[carpsniperg2]

Yes you can mail them directly to anyone without the use of a ffl.

I only see an exemption for antique firearms produced prior to 1898.

"Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including  without  limitation  a  sale  or  transfer  where  either  the purchaser  or  seller  or  transferee  or  transferor  is  in  Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law.  The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through  a  licensed  dealer,  at  gun  shows,  online,  and  between unlicensed persons.

A muzzle loader does not require a background check. Anyone can have them shipped to there house here in WA. I have had 7 shipped to me in the last 2 months with no ffl from various companies. Including one of our sponsors muzzle-loaders.com who does it for a living. You can read here if you like.

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/faq#answer1

[Stein]

Yes you can mail them directly to anyone without the use of a ffl.

I only see an exemption for antique firearms produced prior to 1898.

"Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.

All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including  without  limitation  a  sale  or  transfer  where  either  the purchaser  or  seller  or  transferee  or  transferor  is  in  Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law.  The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through  a  licensed  dealer,  at  gun  shows,  online,  and  between unlicensed persons.

A muzzle loader does not require a background check. Anyone can have them shipped to there house here in WA. I have had 7 shipped to me in the last 2 months with no ffl from various companies. Including one of our sponsors muzzle-loaders.com who does it for a living. You can read here if you like.

https://www.muzzle-loaders.com/faq#answer1

I just posted the law, everyone can choose whether they follow that or not.  I-594 defines muzzleloaders as firearms and the law relating to transfers, it doesn't matter what a seller's website says (which also mentions: "As a disclaimer, please check your local ordinances and statutes to ensure compliance of all laws.").  It is a new law and the out of state vendors very likely may not be aware.

If you are aware of an exception in the law that I missed, please post it as I am thinking about buying another one as well.

[Sabotloader]

Stein

I think the part you might be missing is that according to the ATF and the Government a ML is not a Firearm except for those that have the ability to use smokeless powders.

[lee]

Stein

I think the part you might be missing is that according to the ATF and the Government a ML is not a Firearm except for those that have the ability to use smokeless powders.

The ATF and Gov'munt may say one thing but WA state law under 594 says another. A ML is a firearm under 594 just as flare guns for your boat, concrete nail guns that use 22rf blanks, and some fireworks are also "firearms" as defined under 594. 

The state "gov-munt" is just choosing to not enforce 594 for these items,...... so when do "We the People" get to start choosing which laws we choose to start obeying?

Sorry Rant mode = OFF

Lee

[CP]

Federal law is, yes you can mail a muzzle loader.  (muzzle loader is not a firearm)

State law is, yes a muzzle loader is a firearm. 

[CAMPMEAT]

My law- DON'T care about I-594.

[HornHoarder]

 

[PA BEN]

Stein

I think the part you might be missing is that according to the ATF and the Government a ML is not a Firearm except for those that have the ability to use smokeless powders.

The ATF and Gov'munt may say one thing but WA state law under 594 says another. A ML is a firearm under 594 just as flare guns for your boat, concrete nail guns that use 22rf blanks, and some fireworks are also "firearms" as defined under 594. 

The state "gov-munt" is just choosing to not enforce 594 for these items,...... so when do "We the People" get to start choosing which laws we choose to start obeying?

Sorry Rant mode = OFF

Lee

I just picked up a new muzzleloader from a dealer, no background at all. I did ask and they same you don't need one for a muzzleloader.

[Firedogg]

Everything you are looking for is on page 2, antique firearms background check exempt. Last paragraph at end of section 1. Definition of antique section 2.1

This is from the AG when the initiative was filed.

http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2013-14/Pdf/Initiatives/Initiatives/INITIATIVE%20594.pdf

[PA BEN]

This measure would extend criminal and public safety background
checks to all gun sales or transfers. Background checks would not be
required for gifts between immediate family members or for antiques.
Sec. 2. RCW 9.41.010 and 2013 c 183 s 2 are each amended to read
as follows:
Unless the context clearly requires otherwise, the definitions in
this section apply throughout this chapter.
(1) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica of a firearm not
designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire
ignition with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or before 1898,
including any matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of
ignition system and also any firearm using fixed ammunition
manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition is no longer
manufactured in the United States and is not readily available in the
ordinary channels of commercial trade.

[PA BEN]

    (3) "Family or household members" means spouses, former spouses, persons who have a child in common regardless of whether they have been married or have lived together at any time, adult persons related by blood or marriage, adult persons who are presently residing together or who have resided together in the past, persons sixteen years of age or older who are presently residing together or who have resided together in the past and who have or have had a dating relationship, persons sixteen years of age or older with whom a person sixteen years of age or older has or has had a dating relationship, and persons who have a biological or legal parent-child relationship, including stepparents and stepchildren and grandparents and grandchildren.