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Well I think compound bows are too advanced now and seasons are too long...modern rifles shoot too far and arent fair to animals and muzzleloaders should only be able to shoot roundballs...I also think that if you see an animal from the road you have to wait 24 hours before pursuing it...
as stated I am thinking of all hunters and especially the future of hunting. I could care less about baiting in September its not that effective. I could care less about baiting black tail or white tail its not that effective. I do care about the mule deer herds and the effect baiting is having on them. If its not black and white in the rules how will it ever be enforced? Common sense
Quote from: predatorpro on March 31, 2016, 09:40:13 PMWell I think compound bows are too advanced now and seasons are too long...modern rifles shoot too far and arent fair to animals and muzzleloaders should only be able to shoot roundballs...I also think that if you see an animal from the road you have to wait 24 hours before pursuing it...I see some has the "common sense". Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
Can someone give me the GMU numbers that we are talking about. I did quick search of the latest harvest reports and found four GMU's with 100 or more total archery buck kills. 101 had 168 archery kills all year and 549 modern, 117 had 127 archery kills and 760 modern, 121 had 112 archery and 1189 modern and 124 had 459 archery and 1991 modern. Looks like modern are taking way more deer than archery and the success rate seems to be similar per hunter if not tipped in the favor of modern.I am just not seeing the record to prove that an overwhelming amount of deer are being taken with archery equipment in any unit compared to the other methods.Normally if there is they adjust season dates. Since I haven't seen a major reduction in hunting dates or permits my guess is those two units that have lost that many deer have a surplus of bucks for some reason and can sustain that many deer being taken.Let me know which two in particular that we are talking about and I will look over harvest rates and see if there was a big jump in that unit.
Quote from: WARHORSE on March 31, 2016, 09:26:05 PMas stated I am thinking of all hunters and especially the future of hunting. I could care less about baiting in September its not that effective. I could care less about baiting black tail or white tail its not that effective. I do care about the mule deer herds and the effect baiting is having on them. If its not black and white in the rules how will it ever be enforced? Common sense So you wanna get rid of baiting all together for one species at one time of year. So punish all hunters for the select few. I keep hearing that this is an issue because of outfitters in the okanagoon/methow areas. Well maybe they should address that issue instead of going after all huntersSent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
Quote from: Rainier10 on March 31, 2016, 04:00:02 PMCan someone give me the GMU numbers that we are talking about. I did quick search of the latest harvest reports and found four GMU's with 100 or more total archery buck kills. 101 had 168 archery kills all year and 549 modern, 117 had 127 archery kills and 760 modern, 121 had 112 archery and 1189 modern and 124 had 459 archery and 1991 modern. Looks like modern are taking way more deer than archery and the success rate seems to be similar per hunter if not tipped in the favor of modern.I am just not seeing the record to prove that an overwhelming amount of deer are being taken with archery equipment in any unit compared to the other methods.Normally if there is they adjust season dates. Since I haven't seen a major reduction in hunting dates or permits my guess is those two units that have lost that many deer have a surplus of bucks for some reason and can sustain that many deer being taken.Let me know which two in particular that we are talking about and I will look over harvest rates and see if there was a big jump in that unit.Get out of here with your facts and logic. We are being told that common sense (speculation) tells us that all the mature deer are being killed over bait during the late archery season. are you not listening?
Quote from: emac on March 31, 2016, 02:32:34 PMQuote from: LabChamp on March 31, 2016, 01:17:17 PMThis last comment gets me. "Well he baits on that property and draws all the animals off of where I hunt. Cry me a river and either start DOING something about or quit whinning. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS ABOUT BAITING COME FROM ROAD HUNTERS NOT WILLING TO GET AWAY FROM THE CROWDS AND JEALOUS OF PRIVATE LAND BEING TIED UP BY GUIDES OR LEASES PERIOD. They see all the deer on private property, Aand get jealous. And of course they were hunting ethically on public ground, and not trespassing LOL how else would they know where the bait piles were and how many animals were on it? Our grandfathers would kick our ass for being such a whiney group of outdoorsman and ashamed we are taking our own rights away to hunt one at a time. How pissed off would you be if some guy hunting in your area wanted to outlaw the way your grandfather tought you how to hunt on your own land? With the only reasoning just bc he was jealous of the animals on your property? This gets much too far into the my way is much better than yours and you should have to do it like me or Im gonna go pout until I get some sympathy. Whatever happened to strapping up, putting in your big boy shorts, realize that there are many more people just like you that have to work harder every year to keep on good animals, and start getting to work on a plan to make YOUR OWN hunting area just as successful as the ones you're complaining about. My good god people these days think that everyone else's business is their own and it's their right to tell others how they should live on a daily basis and call the cops/government about it if they don't get their way. Truly sad Era we are moving into...ENTITLEMENTWell said know if everyone could have common sense we would be much better off. Sent from my XT1254 using TapatalkAre you f*&%&N kidding me??? Common sense tells me that Baiting is killing 75-100 of our mature bucks in November in two small GMUs. Thats just the guides. That doesn't include the bucks killed off bait by the average joe that dumps bin upon bin of apples or the guys road hunting or the guys spot and stalking. you can not tell me that is healthy for our herd. Iam a hunter just like you but I want to have something to hunt for years to come. I want my kids to have something to hunt. The three point or better law is awesome and has done wonders for the mature buck numbers. Baiting is just killing them off. I can promise you that many bucks would not be killed in November archery seasons if it wasn't for baiting. No iam not jealous of the guy that kills a 200 incher over bait. Bait hunting is not my thing.
Quote from: LabChamp on March 31, 2016, 01:17:17 PMThis last comment gets me. "Well he baits on that property and draws all the animals off of where I hunt. Cry me a river and either start DOING something about or quit whinning. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS ABOUT BAITING COME FROM ROAD HUNTERS NOT WILLING TO GET AWAY FROM THE CROWDS AND JEALOUS OF PRIVATE LAND BEING TIED UP BY GUIDES OR LEASES PERIOD. They see all the deer on private property, Aand get jealous. And of course they were hunting ethically on public ground, and not trespassing LOL how else would they know where the bait piles were and how many animals were on it? Our grandfathers would kick our ass for being such a whiney group of outdoorsman and ashamed we are taking our own rights away to hunt one at a time. How pissed off would you be if some guy hunting in your area wanted to outlaw the way your grandfather tought you how to hunt on your own land? With the only reasoning just bc he was jealous of the animals on your property? This gets much too far into the my way is much better than yours and you should have to do it like me or Im gonna go pout until I get some sympathy. Whatever happened to strapping up, putting in your big boy shorts, realize that there are many more people just like you that have to work harder every year to keep on good animals, and start getting to work on a plan to make YOUR OWN hunting area just as successful as the ones you're complaining about. My good god people these days think that everyone else's business is their own and it's their right to tell others how they should live on a daily basis and call the cops/government about it if they don't get their way. Truly sad Era we are moving into...ENTITLEMENTWell said know if everyone could have common sense we would be much better off. Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk
This last comment gets me. "Well he baits on that property and draws all the animals off of where I hunt. Cry me a river and either start DOING something about or quit whinning. THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS ABOUT BAITING COME FROM ROAD HUNTERS NOT WILLING TO GET AWAY FROM THE CROWDS AND JEALOUS OF PRIVATE LAND BEING TIED UP BY GUIDES OR LEASES PERIOD. They see all the deer on private property, Aand get jealous. And of course they were hunting ethically on public ground, and not trespassing LOL how else would they know where the bait piles were and how many animals were on it? Our grandfathers would kick our ass for being such a whiney group of outdoorsman and ashamed we are taking our own rights away to hunt one at a time. How pissed off would you be if some guy hunting in your area wanted to outlaw the way your grandfather tought you how to hunt on your own land? With the only reasoning just bc he was jealous of the animals on your property? This gets much too far into the my way is much better than yours and you should have to do it like me or Im gonna go pout until I get some sympathy. Whatever happened to strapping up, putting in your big boy shorts, realize that there are many more people just like you that have to work harder every year to keep on good animals, and start getting to work on a plan to make YOUR OWN hunting area just as successful as the ones you're complaining about. My good god people these days think that everyone else's business is their own and it's their right to tell others how they should live on a daily basis and call the cops/government about it if they don't get their way. Truly sad Era we are moving into...ENTITLEMENT
I think too many on here are missing the point! It's not about rights. It's about herd management. Professionals are concerned for two reasons:1. The bait being used (apples) is not healthy for the mule deer in the winter. They equate apples to snicker bars. Would you let your child eat candy bars all winter long???2. The mass baiting (semi truck loads of apples) is potentially changing migration routes of the mule deer. Now, no research has been conducted yet - because it's time consuming and expensive. But if it is changing migration routes, and it's if that's bad thing, what should WDFW do?Believe it or not - I am pro baiting. And like EVERYONE else I'm against mismanagement of our natural resources. What options, suggestions do any of you have that would be inexpensive and easily enforceable to resolve the two issues listed above?
Quote from: Brad Harshman on March 31, 2016, 07:07:32 PMI think too many on here are missing the point! It's not about rights. It's about herd management. Professionals are concerned for two reasons:1. The bait being used (apples) is not healthy for the mule deer in the winter. They equate apples to snicker bars. Would you let your child eat candy bars all winter long???2. The mass baiting (semi truck loads of apples) is potentially changing migration routes of the mule deer. Now, no research has been conducted yet - because it's time consuming and expensive. But if it is changing migration routes, and it's if that's bad thing, what should WDFW do?Believe it or not - I am pro baiting. And like EVERYONE else I'm against mismanagement of our natural resources. What options, suggestions do any of you have that would be inexpensive and easily enforceable to resolve the two issues listed above?I can't speak for everyone, but personally I am for herd management. I think most hunters want the species to continue to thrive and live on for their kids etc.. I didn't read this as just mule deer. I thought it was for deer and elk. I thought my earlier suggestion, where you limit it by GMU or horn size or something like what they already do for GMU's. And maybe mule deer shouldn't be baited. I'm not a biologist. But to say it's not about rights? I think it absolutely is.
Quote from: WARHORSE on March 31, 2016, 09:26:05 PMas stated I am thinking of all hunters and especially the future of hunting. I could care less about baiting in September its not that effective. I could care less about baiting black tail or white tail its not that effective. I do care about the mule deer herds and the effect baiting is having on them. If its not black and white in the rules how will it ever be enforced? Common sense Then please by all means show us FACTUAL data supporting your claim in a state that has recently banned baiting so we can all have an accurate model to base our opinions off of. Anything else is just fluffing pillows to make yourself sleep better while taking away hunting privileges from others
Haha yea well its not my job to gather numbers and data from other states. Thats the problem with this state we all depend on numbers and data collected by someone who really has no clue but can crunch numbers. Take a look at the guides websites and the guality of the bucks and tell me they arnt changing things in these areas
Quote from: LabChamp on April 01, 2016, 06:22:30 AMQuote from: WARHORSE on March 31, 2016, 09:26:05 PMas stated I am thinking of all hunters and especially the future of hunting. I could care less about baiting in September its not that effective. I could care less about baiting black tail or white tail its not that effective. I do care about the mule deer herds and the effect baiting is having on them. If its not black and white in the rules how will it ever be enforced? Common sense Then please by all means show us FACTUAL data supporting your claim in a state that has recently banned baiting so we can all have an accurate model to base our opinions off of. Anything else is just fluffing pillows to make yourself sleep better while taking away hunting privileges from others Haha yea well its not my job to gather numbers and data from other states. Thats the problem with this state we all depend on numbers and data collected by someone who really has no clue but can crunch numbers. Take a look at the guides websites and the guality of the bucks and tell me they arnt changing things in these areas
