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Depending on where you live and the amount of free time you have, you still have time to connect with a GSP breeder and get a hunt in, or at least see a dog work on some planted birds.
Ok all turning to forums and opinions... Trying to decide if want another Lab or a GSP for next puppyWas all but 100% sure I was going to get a GSP for my next dog, but have been reconsidering a little lately. Love my labs and have a pointing lab now and nothing beats watching a dog lock up on point, BUT alot of hunting in Eastern WA for pheasants is in the thick stuff and just wondering if a good flusher would be better. I only hunt for upland mostly pheasants with some quail and Huns as seen when out and about. I usually go to a reserve for the border 2 months of the season and then during Nov, Dec hunt all wild birds. Also, want to start making a trip to MT each year to hunt the areas there...So my question is what do other like and why...not trying to turn this into a bash on each dog etc as I love both and they both do very very well. So really just looking to see others experiences and if they would get a Lab instead of a GSP if they had or vice versa..Thanks
Quote from: Ruger on January 03, 2016, 10:08:26 AMOk all turning to forums and opinions... Trying to decide if want another Lab or a GSP for next puppyWas all but 100% sure I was going to get a GSP for my next dog, but have been reconsidering a little lately. Love my labs and have a pointing lab now and nothing beats watching a dog lock up on point, BUT alot of hunting in Eastern WA for pheasants is in the thick stuff and just wondering if a good flusher would be better. I only hunt for upland mostly pheasants with some quail and Huns as seen when out and about. I usually go to a reserve for the border 2 months of the season and then during Nov, Dec hunt all wild birds. Also, want to start making a trip to MT each year to hunt the areas there...So my question is what do other like and why...not trying to turn this into a bash on each dog etc as I love both and they both do very very well. So really just looking to see others experiences and if they would get a Lab instead of a GSP if they had or vice versa..ThanksI am of the opinion that in heavy cover situations the flusher (lab) is going to give you more shot opportunities. Mainly because you can let them root out the birds while you stand/walk in the birds' escape routes (open ground) and take a shot at them as they fly. That applies to grouse and pheasant. That's not to say that pointers can't do a credible job on both, they do. But given how we train pointers in this country to stand still until we the handlers flush the birds you are put in less favorable shooting positions. If we trained pointers as is done in Europe (they flush on command) this would be less of an issue. A lab (or any other flusher for that matter) is also not at a disadvantage among different species of bird. Pointers, all pointers, can be since their game is all about not pressuring a bird into flying. A pointing dog that mainly hunts pheasants will suffer when hunting spookier birds because they will have become used to birds that run and frankly those points will be much closer. A pointing dog that is used to hunting birds that require longer distance points, points that come at first scent, will be at a disadvantage with pheasants that like to run rather than stay still. A lab (or any other flushing dog) doesn't have that problem. Their mission is to find those birds and push them up. Standing still, space between them and the birds, that's all irrelevant with them.The above said, in more open terrain a pointer is going to be an asset as they can cover more ground than the lab and do so faster. If you think you might ever chase ducks or geese your options are really down to a lab, chessie, poodle, a spaniel, or one of the "ugly dogs."Just something for you to chew on.
Quote from: AspenBud on January 04, 2016, 10:19:00 AMQuote from: Ruger on January 03, 2016, 10:08:26 AMOk all turning to forums and opinions... Trying to decide if want another Lab or a GSP for next puppyWas all but 100% sure I was going to get a GSP for my next dog, but have been reconsidering a little lately. Love my labs and have a pointing lab now and nothing beats watching a dog lock up on point, BUT alot of hunting in Eastern WA for pheasants is in the thick stuff and just wondering if a good flusher would be better. I only hunt for upland mostly pheasants with some quail and Huns as seen when out and about. I usually go to a reserve for the border 2 months of the season and then during Nov, Dec hunt all wild birds. Also, want to start making a trip to MT each year to hunt the areas there...So my question is what do other like and why...not trying to turn this into a bash on each dog etc as I love both and they both do very very well. So really just looking to see others experiences and if they would get a Lab instead of a GSP if they had or vice versa..ThanksI am of the opinion that in heavy cover situations the flusher (lab) is going to give you more shot opportunities. Mainly because you can let them root out the birds while you stand/walk in the birds' escape routes (open ground) and take a shot at them as they fly. That applies to grouse and pheasant. That's not to say that pointers can't do a credible job on both, they do. But given how we train pointers in this country to stand still until we the handlers flush the birds you are put in less favorable shooting positions. If we trained pointers as is done in Europe (they flush on command) this would be less of an issue. A lab (or any other flusher for that matter) is also not at a disadvantage among different species of bird. Pointers, all pointers, can be since their game is all about not pressuring a bird into flying. A pointing dog that mainly hunts pheasants will suffer when hunting spookier birds because they will have become used to birds that run and frankly those points will be much closer. A pointing dog that is used to hunting birds that require longer distance points, points that come at first scent, will be at a disadvantage with pheasants that like to run rather than stay still. A lab (or any other flushing dog) doesn't have that problem. Their mission is to find those birds and push them up. Standing still, space between them and the birds, that's all irrelevant with them.The above said, in more open terrain a pointer is going to be an asset as they can cover more ground than the lab and do so faster. If you think you might ever chase ducks or geese your options are really down to a lab, chessie, poodle, a spaniel, or one of the "ugly dogs."Just something for you to chew on. Nice write up...thanksThis is exactly my dilemma as I do hunt open areas but as you just described to root out some of those birds in trees or thick tall bamboo areas along the rivers and or ditches a pointer is going to look at you as to say..um you go in there
Agreed...I have been spoiled I have a pointing lab now and in the fields he will point, in the thick stuff he will go in there just not as hard as a hard charging flushing lab...
Quote from: Ruger on January 04, 2016, 10:44:05 AMAgreed...I have been spoiled I have a pointing lab now and in the fields he will point, in the thick stuff he will go in there just not as hard as a hard charging flushing lab...Like I said, training is the key. Training pointers to flush birds and drop after the flush is fairly common outside North America. Info on how to do it is probably out there somewhere. For example...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNeeBDkPDPI#action=share
There are times when the things dogs point in the brush really aren't the game being pursued, porkies,skunks and yes even bobcats.My buddys shorthair about 4 years ago pointed outside of a brush patch in montana(he lives there) and he said the dog didn't look right on point, about the time he got within 10 feet the dog jumped in the brush and all heck broke loose, the dog came out of the brush with about 30 pounds of ticked off bobcat on his head,it was a good thing the dog had a shock collar on the cat bit clean through the plastic and pierced the batteries.He said the cat let go and headed one way at warp speed and the dog took off at full speed in the OTHER direction.He was cut/bit and scratched pretty darn good all around his head and neck area.
If all you wanna do is upland have you thought about just a pointer? A good Elhew line pointer would be a killer bet for a solid upland performer. not that a GSP wouldn't...
I have seen GSP work and they are so fun to watch and hunt with...
Quote from: addicted2hunting on January 04, 2016, 05:26:16 PMIf all you wanna do is upland have you thought about just a pointer? A good Elhew line pointer would be a killer bet for a solid upland performer. not that a GSP wouldn't...I wouldn't limit myself to only line bred Elhews but I agree, the breed is hard to beat.
Quote from: AspenBud on January 04, 2016, 09:05:40 PMQuote from: addicted2hunting on January 04, 2016, 05:26:16 PMIf all you wanna do is upland have you thought about just a pointer? A good Elhew line pointer would be a killer bet for a solid upland performer. not that a GSP wouldn't...I wouldn't limit myself to only line bred Elhews but I agree, the breed is hard to beat.Oh for sure, I just don't know as many other popular kennels...
After owning an Elhew linebred dog I'd never touch another. To much capitalism of Bob's work with not enough culling and scrutiny in the process. The one I had was a veterinarians dream. Monthly visits for multiple genetic flaws.
I only asked between GSP and a Lab for my situation...not interested in anything else, but thanks