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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2016, 09:26:04 AM »
MY ICON THING IS NOT WORKING BUT I am screaming right now ! Not once do they mention that they transplanted elk from down there ! Worked just fine up to now . The herd really took off after those new blood lines showed up ! Nothing to do with Weyerhaeuser..  I am in shock after all the testing that goes into these studies before they move forward !

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2016, 10:56:54 AM »
...Well does this come as any surprise ? When you transplant elk from an already diseased herd and bring them to one of the healthiest herds in the state , what you think will happen ..All the testing done on those elk should have showed there may be a potential problem ...This will go over really well around here I am sure !I can see a serious problem coming our way !

When were these elk moved? Is this documented?
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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2016, 12:24:56 PM »
has anybody found hoof rot in the Olympic park?

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2016, 12:29:52 PM »
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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2016, 12:40:36 PM »
thanks curly, its the only place on the wetside that I personally have not seen hoof rot, I honestly think our herds r scewed on the wetside, time to start scouting rockies...

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2016, 01:14:32 PM »
Wyco purchased the longview fiber timber holdings some 40k acres... there are about 600 to a square mile. They have land on the north side of the river and north of lake Cavanaugh along thunder ridge to day lake area.
Bh45might remember correctly but I think it was 80 early 90s when they were transplanted.

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2016, 01:16:29 PM »
Wyco purchased the longview fiber timber holdings some 40k acres... there are about 600 to a square mile. They have land on the north side of the river and north of lake Cavanaugh along thunder ridge to day lake area.
Bh45might remember correctly but I think it was 80 early 90s when they were transplanted.

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2016, 01:17:33 PM »
Everything you need to know should be in this document:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00772/nooksack.pdf

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2016, 01:25:22 PM »
Everything you need to know should be in this document:

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00772/nooksack.pdf
That was written in 2000. A transplant from St. Helens elk occurred in 2003 when the herd had dwindled to about 300 animals.
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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2016, 01:27:19 PM »
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We also acknowledge the considerable contributions to Nooksack elk recovery made by WDFW Region 5 staff, notably P. Miller, B. Calkins, and F. Dobler (retired), who facilitated trapping and relocating elk from the Mt. St. Helens herd.
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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2016, 01:56:38 PM »
You guys got it ..I am just to slow ..haha  I have the complete copy of the augmentation somewhere but I can not find it ..including the 1st elk planted in 1912 or somewhere in that time frame ...

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2016, 02:09:04 PM »
Here is when Elk became Native to Skagit Co .. Haha  (1912)  Not many of these photos floating around but I am lucky to have one ..
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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2016, 03:56:06 PM »
Did you guys catch this bit?

Last month, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife sent abnormal hooves collected from four elk in northwest Washington to Colorado State University to test for treponeme-associated hoof disease, which has infected two elk herds in Southwest Washington.

Results came back negative for three elk harvested by hunters in Whatcom County, but the sample from Skagit County revealed microscopic evidence of treponeme-associated hoof disease, said Kristin Mansfield, department epidemiologist.


So according to WDFW's own press release only 1 of the 4 elk with abnormal hooves tested positive for the treponema bacteria which WDFW has been claiming is the cause of elk hoof disease.  1 in 4 doesn't seem like a very high correlation to me.  I suppose it's possible that the other 3 elk had deformities unrelated to hoof disease.  Or maybe WDFW's treponema theory has been incomplete all along.  What do you guys think?

This is straight from the WDFW website:
What causes Elk Hoof Disease?
Evidence to date points to a type of infectious bacteria (Treponema sp.) associated with hoof disease in domestic sheep and cattle.



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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2016, 04:03:33 PM »
One that they know of ...But I can say this , I see a lot of elk in this area and I can not recall seeing any limping BUT that one case could cause a issue real quick ..not sure if it gets passed on threw breeding and would like to know if it is seen in the calves being born ..

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Re: Hoof rot in the Nooksack herd?
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2016, 04:28:23 PM »
It could be the theory is wrong. “Evidence to date points to” would lead one to believe that WDFW considers it a theory.

It is too small a sample to draw any statistically valid conclusions.

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