? for you ballistic gurus

[JDHasty]

Deer kill far more people than bear do

WHAT??? That can't be true?

A man was killed near my mother's home when she lived in Texas and I read that statistic in the article in the paper.  I never did any further research, and that factoid has stayed with me as factual information. 

This was twenty-five years ago.  I met a man who was attacked by a deer in Rainier shortly before that time and it got him down and tried to disembowel him with it's rear feet (he very nearly died from a lacerated liver) and I have just accepted that as fact, but it may not be true unless you take auto-accidents into account. 

Average Number of Deaths per Year in the U.S
Bee/Wasp    53
Dogs    31
Spider    6.5
Rattlesnake    5.5
Mountain lion    1
Shark    1
Alligator    0.3
Bear    0.5
Scorpion    0.5
Centipede    0.5
Elephant    0.25
Wolf    0.1
Horse    20
Bull    3

The two things that stand out in this list is Cougars are twice as likely as bear and I personally know of three people killed by bulls and don't know anyone in any other catagory.

I stand corrected.   

[mountainman]

Study from WSU..

Although black bear attacks are rare and most victims come out unscathed, this does not negate the fact that black bear attacks do happen and are sometimes fatal.  Since 1900, there have been only 45-recorded deaths that were caused by black bears in the North America.  This number is very minimal compared to the over 500 conflicts between black bears and humans from 1960 to 1980.  Black bear attacks are much more common in the United States than are grizzly bear attacks.  The main reason for the difference is the population size of each species.  There are approximately 300,000 black bears in the continental United States, whereas there are only about 2000-3000 grizzlies still remaining in the lower 48 states.  The larger population of black bears greatly increases the probability of encountering one in the wild.

[Yondering]

Deer kill far more people than bear do

WHAT??? That can't be true?

Haven't you read the "ropin a deer" story?

[mountainman]

Attacks are rare, but they happen. To the OP..yes, the short Sp101 would probably have prevented the "fuzzy little forest rat" the first time. Shorter barrel are easier to carry, and more manuevarable up close and in tight.

http://komonews.com/news/local/man-survives-second-bear-attack-in-4-years-i-just-had-this-deja-vu-11-21-2015

[mountainman]

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/bear-mauls-bellevue-council-member-chelminiak-at-lake-wenatchee/

[257 Wby Mag]

I'm waaaaaaaaaay more scared going to any city in Thurston, pierce, king or Snohomish county, than being in the woods anywhere unarmed....

[mountainman]

I'm waaaaaaaaaay more scared going to any city in Thurston, pierce, king or Snohomish county, than being in the woods anywhere unarmed....

not too scared of that either...but Definetly more comfortable in the hills then in those areas  as most on here would agree!

[Biggerhammer]

Is that 1.75" really going to make a difference? Keep reading!

[JJB11B]

Bigger hammer I have a ? for you

[thinkingman]

Is that 1.75" really going to make a difference? Keep reading!

The morons at Buffalo Bore seem to think so, but what do they know....Keep reading.
We never use extra long laboratory barrels to produce our advertised velocities, which we feel is dishonest to the customer as those extra long barrels produce extra high velocities, which you cannot duplicate with stock revolvers in the real world. Instead, we use stock firearms and you can see the velocity results below.

1255 fps -- Ruger GP 100, 6 inch barrel, 357 mag.
1186 fps -- S&W Combat Masterpiece 6 inch barrel, 38 SPL (circa 1958)
1146 fps -- S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel, 357 mag.
1167 fps -- S&W Mod. 15, 4 inch barrel, 38 SPL (circa 1968)
1112 fps -- Ruger SP 101, 3 inch barrel, 38 SPL
1043 fps -- S&W Mod 66, 2.5 inch barrel, 357 mag.
  989 fps -- S&W Mod 340PD, 1 & 7/8 inch barrel, 357 mag.
1027 fps -- S&W Mod 642 (pre dash), 1 & 7/8 inch barrel, 38 SPL

Some people are insecure enough to shoot 300RUM just for the extra 100fps.

Keep reading.

[jay.sharkbait]

Is that 1.75" really going to make a difference? Keep reading!

The morons at Buffalo Bore seem to think so, but what do they know....Keep reading.
We never use extra long laboratory barrels to produce our advertised velocities, which we feel is dishonest to the customer as those extra long barrels produce extra high velocities, which you cannot duplicate with stock revolvers in the real world. Instead, we use stock firearms and you can see the velocity results below.

1255 fps -- Ruger GP 100, 6 inch barrel, 357 mag.
1186 fps -- S&W Combat Masterpiece 6 inch barrel, 38 SPL (circa 1958)
1146 fps -- S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel, 357 mag.
1167 fps -- S&W Mod. 15, 4 inch barrel, 38 SPL (circa 1968)
1112 fps -- Ruger SP 101, 3 inch barrel, 38 SPL
1043 fps -- S&W Mod 66, 2.5 inch barrel, 357 mag.
  989 fps -- S&W Mod 340PD, 1 & 7/8 inch barrel, 357 mag.
1027 fps -- S&W Mod 642 (pre dash), 1 & 7/8 inch barrel, 38 SPL

Some people are insecure enough to shoot 300RUM just for the extra 100fps.

Keep reading.

So from the numbers listed .38 is faster than 357 in the shorter barrel lengths?

Same weight bullet?

[jackelope]

How much difference does 50-100fps make at 20'?
Keep reading? (it seems like the cool thing to say at this point)

[mountainman]

How much difference does 50-100fps make at 20'?
Keep reading? (it seems like the cool thing to say at this point)

👆😄

[Bob33]

How much difference does 50-100fps make at 20'?

About 50-100 fps.

Keep reading.

[jackelope]

How much difference does 50-100fps make at 20'?

About 50-100 fps.

Keep reading.

Good point. I'm going to hope something  more gets posted so I have something to keep reading.