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Quote from: huntnphool on January 11, 2016, 10:41:40 AMQuote from: BOWHUNTER45 on January 11, 2016, 08:27:45 AMQuote from: smittyJ on January 11, 2016, 07:58:23 AMI saw on King5 where only 2% of the reported sales were private and I would tend to agree with that but their opinion was most private sellers were braking the law. The problem is, there is no way to know! Even Sheriff Urchart admitted it. We will never know until someone tracks a gun found at a crime scene. That's exactly right .. unless a criminal uses a stolen or unregistered gun in a crime and gets caught you have no way of knowing anything ! And even then, how will they know? If you sold a gun to a guy today, and 5 years from now it was used in a homicide and recovered, how will they know that it was sold person to person today? Unless you guys document it, there is no way to prove the transaction happened today, or the day before 594 was implemented.. . . except when the first trace is to you, post I-594, and the gun is recovered in WA to your buyer, in WA. If there is no subsequent trace data, then it is reasonable to charge that you did not conduct an I-594 check. It is a misdemeanor, so BFD, sorta. But still. It is really only harassment of law-abiding gun owners, because it will never have any meaningful effect on crimes with firearms, and that is not just because some gun owners decide not to comply, as we all know.
Quote from: BOWHUNTER45 on January 11, 2016, 08:27:45 AMQuote from: smittyJ on January 11, 2016, 07:58:23 AMI saw on King5 where only 2% of the reported sales were private and I would tend to agree with that but their opinion was most private sellers were braking the law. The problem is, there is no way to know! Even Sheriff Urchart admitted it. We will never know until someone tracks a gun found at a crime scene. That's exactly right .. unless a criminal uses a stolen or unregistered gun in a crime and gets caught you have no way of knowing anything ! And even then, how will they know? If you sold a gun to a guy today, and 5 years from now it was used in a homicide and recovered, how will they know that it was sold person to person today? Unless you guys document it, there is no way to prove the transaction happened today, or the day before 594 was implemented.
Quote from: smittyJ on January 11, 2016, 07:58:23 AMI saw on King5 where only 2% of the reported sales were private and I would tend to agree with that but their opinion was most private sellers were braking the law. The problem is, there is no way to know! Even Sheriff Urchart admitted it. We will never know until someone tracks a gun found at a crime scene. That's exactly right .. unless a criminal uses a stolen or unregistered gun in a crime and gets caught you have no way of knowing anything !
I saw on King5 where only 2% of the reported sales were private and I would tend to agree with that but their opinion was most private sellers were braking the law. The problem is, there is no way to know! Even Sheriff Urchart admitted it. We will never know until someone tracks a gun found at a crime scene.
We shouldn't support the talking heads in their delusions about background checks. Hit them with the facts. We told everyone that the so-called gun show loophole represented such a small number of sales as to be immeasurable. That's how it turned out after a year. It's not that people broke the law. It's that the gun control people proved that gun control does nothing to make us safer. Not one person arrested, tried, and convicted under the new law. Increasingly, these power brokers will support more stringent laws and increasingly, will fail to produce "public safety" with their passage. At some point, we should be able to expose them for what they are: Powerful people who are afraid of the American citizens' ability to exercise their rights as written in the Bill of Rights of our beloved Constitution. It's too bad that the sleeping public is so far, satisfied with the trinkets and bobbles that the power brokers dole out to them. One day, hopefully, those won't be enough to pacify the huddled masses.
I understand that. My point was, I have purchased several guns over the years, didn't document any, and there is no way (getting old) I could tell you which day or week any of them were acquired back then. Even if they come to me and ask, I honestly do not know.
I think I-594 was a test by the anti gunners to see if they could get their way through the our I system. It worked and they will be back with worst stuff.
Quote from: smittyJ on January 11, 2016, 07:58:23 AMI saw on King5 where only 2% of the reported sales were private and I would tend to agree with that but their opinion was most private sellers were braking the law. The problem is, there is no way to know! Even Sheriff Urchart admitted it. We will never know until someone tracks a gun found at a crime scene.2% of total gun transfers is way too low to accurately reflect the actual number of exchanges between private sellers. While often quoted as "up to 40%" as a scare tactic, I believe it is more in the 25% range as per this article:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-stale-claim-that-40-percent-of-gun-sales-lack-background-checks/2013/01/20/e42ec050-629a-11e2-b05a-605528f6b712_blog.htmlThe other 23% are simply exercising civil disobedience.
Quote from: ghosthunter on January 11, 2016, 11:34:03 AMI think I-594 was a test by the anti gunners to see if they could get their way through the our I system. It worked and they will be back with worst stuff.I believe that. Also, I thought it was intended to be confusing and burdensome, such that those wanting to follow the law or even err on the side of caution would get tired of jumping through hoops. At some point they would say, "it just isn't worth it to go do XYZ anymore". Then another segment of the population would grow up distanced from firearms and likely to support future erosions.
OLYMPIAGun-rights activists rally in Olympia to protest new lawRachel La Corte / Associated PressDec 13, 2014About 1,000 gun-rights advocates, many openly carrying rifles and handguns, rallied Saturday outside the Capitol to protest a new expanded gun background check law in Washington state.Organizers of the "I Will Not Comply" rally promised to exchange and sell firearms without conducting background checks during the daylong rally in opposition to the state's voter-approved universal background check law."We're going to stand up for our rights," rally organizer Gavin Seim said. "Our rights are not up for negotiation."Initiative 594 passed with 59 percent of the vote last month. Geoff Potter, who served as a spokesman for the pro-initiative campaign, said that the rally was "a very loud, but very, very narrow and unrepresentative view of what the people of Washington have clearly demonstrated they want on background checks and gun laws."At an I-594 "violation station" people posed with rifles that weren't theirs, and a wedding party unaffiliated with the protest that was taking pictures on the Capitol steps got into the spirit.Rally participant Brandon Lyons of Spanaway handed his AR-10 rifle to the groom, who posed with the rifle and his bride, then the best man held the firearm and mugged with the couple. The bride and groom, who were to be married later in Tacoma, wouldn't give their full names."We've all just broken the law," Lyons said after they took pictures with the rifle.However, Washington State Patrol Trooper Guy Gill said "we're not convinced that handing someone a gun is a violation of 594."The law, which took effect Dec. 4, requires background checks on all sales and transfers, including private transactions and many loans and gifts.Opponents have taken most issue with the language surrounding transfers. I-594 defines a transfer as the delivery of a firearm "without consideration of payment or promise of payment including, but not limited to, gifts and loans." Exceptions include emergency gun transfers concerning personal safety, gifts between family members, antiques and loans for hunting.Capitol officials were preparing for up to 6,000 protesters, and Washington State Patrol troopers were seen on the periphery of the crowd.Gill said there are no plans to arrest people for exchanging guns or even selling weapons, but they could forward violations they see to prosecutors."Our Number 1 priority is to just make this a safe environment for people to express themselves," he said. "Most of these folks are responsible gun owners. We probably will not have an issue."Norma Johnson of Enumclaw said the law isn't going to stop crime."You're targeting the wrong things by going after law-abiding citizens," she said.Washington has joined six other states - California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, New York and Rhode Island, plus Washington, D.C. - in requiring universal background checks for all sales and transfers of all firearms, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.About a dozen other states have varying laws on expansion beyond what federal law requires.
