Know anything about this WA bighorn?

[JDHasty]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.   

[grundy53]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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[JDHasty]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

[RadSav]

A lot of these guys are just like us.  They grew up hunting general seasons before general tags went to heck.  And even when some of them became wealthy they hunted four to six months straight in the west.  That makes for a very fit, very smart hunter.  To think that money somehow makes them less of hunters is a little shallow.

There are a few that didn't come into money until later in their careers.  Some of those that I know were complete animals in their youth and insanely good hunters.  But age caught up to them and they've used their good fortune to extend their success in the field even after set backs. 

To be quite honest, if I were wealthy I would not be hunting spikes and cows in the general Eastern Washington.  Why should I hunt cows when I could hunt big bucks and bulls in AZ, UT and MT?  Why would I hunt with 1,000 other drunken arse wipes when I could afford private land?  Why would I hide my truck and ride a bike five or ten miles like LD Jones used to do just to shake the leaches loose?

[coachcw]

Its a addiction .......trust me once you have had a raffle tag  it's all you can think about..

[PlateauNDN]

Its a addiction .......trust me once you have had a raffle tag  it's all you can think about..

If I was coach and was making millions off my business I'd hunt trophy animals everywhere to.

[Whitpirate]

Plat's been eating too many firesticks again and clouding his brain.... Coach works hard like the rest of us... he's just a giant luckbox when it comes to draws.  No rich man advantage.

[PlateauNDN]

Plat's been eating too many firesticks again and clouding his brain.... Coach works hard like the rest of us... he's just a giant luckbox when it comes to draws.  No rich man advantage.

 

[jackelope]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.   

Clearly you don't know enough of these guys.

[jackelope]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

JD, when is the last time you were in close contact with any of these auction or raffle hunt guys? Reason I ask is usually the examples you share of these type stories are from 20 years ago.

[JDHasty]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

JD, when is the last time you were in close contact with any of these auction or raffle hunt guys? Reason I ask is usually the examples you share of these type stories are from 20 years ago.

Talked on the phone with the guy I know yesterday, as a matter of fact.  Just a social call, I take a train to work and use that time to keep in touch with friends who live in other States. 

[jackelope]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

JD, when is the last time you were in close contact with any of these auction or raffle hunt guys? Reason I ask is usually the examples you share of these type stories are from 20 years ago.

Talked on the phone with the guy I know yesterday, as a matter of fact.  Just a social call, I take a train to work and use that time to keep in touch with friends who live in other States. 

And this person is someone who regularly participates in raffle or auction hunts in Washington?
Only reason I ask is because there are at least a couple guys who regularly participate in these hunts posting in this very thread. I know others on a personal level and communicate with them regularly. They all hunt general seasons annually.

[JDHasty]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

JD, when is the last time you were in close contact with any of these auction or raffle hunt guys? Reason I ask is usually the examples you share of these type stories are from 20 years ago.

Talked on the phone with the guy I know yesterday, as a matter of fact.  Just a social call, I take a train to work and use that time to keep in touch with friends who live in other States. 

And this person is someone who regularly participates in raffle or auction hunts in Washington?
Only reason I ask is because there are at least a couple guys who regularly participate in these hunts posting in this very thread. I know others on a personal level and communicate with them regularly. They all hunt general seasons annually.

What I have said, and all I have ever said regarding that friendship (after being accused of being jealous of those who participate or of wanting to shut down tag auctions), is:  I do have a friend who has participated in Tag Auction opportunities and that the guy is a straight up guy and I have posted links to a couple articles that were written about the guy that document and validate what I am saying about the guy.  What that has to do with me sharing with others that my impression, after meeting more than a few others who do participate in these auctions, is:  more likely than not, in my mind, they do not hunt the General Seasons on a General Season Tag and I wonder what portion of their success rate under what are demonstrably very favorable conditions would translate over if they hunted under much less favorable circumstances. 

So what is your point?   

[jackelope]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

JD, when is the last time you were in close contact with any of these auction or raffle hunt guys? Reason I ask is usually the examples you share of these type stories are from 20 years ago.

Talked on the phone with the guy I know yesterday, as a matter of fact.  Just a social call, I take a train to work and use that time to keep in touch with friends who live in other States. 

And this person is someone who regularly participates in raffle or auction hunts in Washington?
Only reason I ask is because there are at least a couple guys who regularly participate in these hunts posting in this very thread. I know others on a personal level and communicate with them regularly. They all hunt general seasons annually.

What I have said, and all I have ever said regarding that friendship (after being accused of being jealous of those who participate or of wanting to shut down tag auctions), is:  I do have a friend who has participated in Tag Auction opportunities and that the guy is a straight up guy and I have posted links to a couple articles that were written about the guy that document and validate what I am saying about the guy.  What that has to do with me sharing with others that my impression, after meeting more than a few others who do participate in these auctions, is:  more likely than not, in my mind, they do not hunt the General Seasons on a General Season Tag and I wonder what portion of their success rate under what are demonstrably very favorable conditions would translate over if they hunted under much less favorable circumstances. 

So what is your point?   

My point is I don't think you're in the current loop with the majority of auction and raffle tag hunters. I don't think the point you're obviously trying to make is valid. It seems to me that you're trying to belittle their skills by implying they are unsuccessful general season hunters and the only reason they are successful is money.  You're crapping in yet another thread related to auction/raffle tag hunts. It gets old.

[JDHasty]

I don't take anything away from the accomplishment of many of the guys who purchase these Auction opportunities, but I always wonder is if many of them have what it takes to get it done during the General Seasons with nothing but a General Season Tag.  I am good friends with a guy who does participate in the Tag Auctions and he also buys over the counter tags and frequently takes trophy animals during the General Season (it probably helps that he has friends who allow him access).  My impression is though, that most of these Auction Tag purchasers don't hunt the General Seasons with an over the counter or open drawing tag.

Not many over the counter bighorn tags....

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True that, but there are open drawing tags.   But there are open seasons on big game that everyone can participate in.  My buddy who I reference above buys General Season big game tags for other species and hunts public lands quite often and does quite well.  My impression is that he is in a distinct minority when it comes to the guys who participate in these auctions and "flood the raffles."

JD, when is the last time you were in close contact with any of these auction or raffle hunt guys? Reason I ask is usually the examples you share of these type stories are from 20 years ago.

Talked on the phone with the guy I know yesterday, as a matter of fact.  Just a social call, I take a train to work and use that time to keep in touch with friends who live in other States. 

And this person is someone who regularly participates in raffle or auction hunts in Washington?
Only reason I ask is because there are at least a couple guys who regularly participate in these hunts posting in this very thread. I know others on a personal level and communicate with them regularly. They all hunt general seasons annually.

What I have said, and all I have ever said regarding that friendship (after being accused of being jealous of those who participate or of wanting to shut down tag auctions), is:  I do have a friend who has participated in Tag Auction opportunities and that the guy is a straight up guy and I have posted links to a couple articles that were written about the guy that document and validate what I am saying about the guy.  What that has to do with me sharing with others that my impression, after meeting more than a few others who do participate in these auctions, is:  more likely than not, in my mind, they do not hunt the General Seasons on a General Season Tag and I wonder what portion of their success rate under what are demonstrably very favorable conditions would translate over if they hunted under much less favorable circumstances. 

So what is your point?   

My point is I don't think you're in the current loop with the majority of auction and raffle tag hunters. I don't think the point you're obviously trying to make is valid. It seems to me that you're trying to belittle their skills by implying they are unsuccessful general season hunters and the only reason they are successful is money.  You're crapping in yet another thread related to auction/raffle tag hunts. It gets old.

So do most of them participate in the General Seasons or not?  My impression is that most do not.  Correct me if I am wrong. 

Am I not allowed to also (see * below) weigh in on a topic that has been brought up for discussion and state that I wonder what portion of their success rate under what are demonstrably very favorable conditions would translate over if they hunted under much less favorable circumstances?   

I have also met a guy, and visited his home/trophy room, who is a "big time hunter."  He has everything from leopards to Asian Guar hanging from the walls of his home, but what you will not see in among that collection is a single head of big game taken in the State of Montana, and the guy lives in Montana.  He has lived there all his life.  He has great big Whitetail deer, and he has monster elk, but they were not taken in Montana - they were taken on....  Nobody really knows for sure.  Oh, and he has a room full of guns that is probably worth a cool million dollars, if it's worth a penny .  My cousin says of the guy:  "He is a nice enough guy, but he couldn't hunt up a Labrador retriever if he had a pork chop tied around his neck."  The guy pays for "hunts" all over the world, and from all indications does quite well in taking big game trophy animals, but if the guy has ever even hunted the General Season it is a well kept secret.   

I am fairly certain that this latter example of a "big time hunter" is out on one end of the bell curve, just as I am fairly certain that this Brooks cat and my buddy are more likely than not out on the other end of the same bell curve. 

*And FYI, it was not I who introduced the discussion here.  I was responding after considering this post: In this line of work you get to know a lot of wealthy hunters who buy animals and are borderline fake in their perceived success.